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Old 10-03-2002, 04:33 PM
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The real definition of elitism..

New money flaunts.
Old money preserves.
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Old 10-03-2002, 05:55 PM
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Re: The real definition of elitism..

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New money flaunts.
Old money preserves.

so true...why buy an eighty thousand dollar car when you see CD and think music?
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Old 10-04-2002, 08:14 AM
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I read Our Kind of People two summers ago. Most of the information was not new to me.

I am kind of straddling the fence on this issue. My family is upper middle class, but my parents never bought into the whole "elite" idea. They both declined invitations to the Boule and the Links. They were always unimpressed with the so-called elite. My father is actually quite contemptuous of some of them. He feels that a lot of people who are the elite now benefitted from the Civil Rights Movement but did not give back or help out other people once they made it to where they wanted to be.

As children, my sisters and I were exposed to the finer things in life and benefitted from my parents hard work. But, they also emphasized the fact that we weren't better than anyone else and that despite their paychecks we were still black. I went to an expensive all-white private elementary school during the week, but on Friday afternoon my mother picked us up and took us back to the neighborhood that she grew up in. She always kept us aware of who we were and where we came from.
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Old 12-13-2002, 01:29 PM
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Well, I learned from another board that I'm on that good ol' Lawrence Otis Graham has decided to create a Social Register of the "Talented Tenth."

http://www.ourkindofpeople.com/

I peeped the nomination form and it included categories for "summer residence, "lineage" and "cotillions." Just FYI. I am going to reserve comment.

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Old 12-13-2002, 01:51 PM
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Well, I learned from another board that I'm on that good ol' Lawrence Otis Graham has decided to create a Social Register of the "Talented Tenth."

http://www.ourkindofpeople.com/

I peeped the nomination form and it included categories for "summer residence, "lineage" and "cotillions." Just FYI. I am going to reserve comment.

OMG! Can you say self-esteem issues or what? Is this being done because some folks feel the need to validate their self-worth and status with a registry? CTFU???? *LOL* I swear some of us (AfAm) place important on some real dumb ish.

My 150 million dollar question is why? Seriously....? I was taught that those who "flaunt their money", so to speak was a sign of bad manners and just plain uncouth.

I guess my summers at grandma's wouldn't be elite enough *lol*
Another question asked if the college you attended was public or private...*lol* I guess public education is soooo urban to some folks.

WOW, this is pretty funny to me.
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Old 12-13-2002, 02:08 PM
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My 150 million dollar question is why? Seriously....? I was taught that those who "flaunt their money", so to speak was a sign of bad manners and just plain uncouth.

Same here. Old money quietly, discreetly handles its business.

IMO, Lawrence Otis Graham seems, from his books, to have a big-time hangup about not being "elite." His ranting about not being in an NPHC fraternity in college had me CTFU. Hey, Law, there's something called graduate chapter.

The whole Our Kind of People 800 idea seems rather recherche, which means "pretentious," BTW. But I'm getting a good laugh out of this.
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Old 12-13-2002, 04:08 PM
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The whole Our Kind of People 800 idea seems rather recherche, which means "pretentious

I agree, I just cannot believe that he is serious! This takes "classism" to a entirely different level. I wonder if these families that are already "identified for possible inclusion" are in agreement with this, or is he just spouting off names on his 'wish-list'?

Does anyone know where his family's money came from? I did not, and probably will not, read the book. I am just wondering why he feels the need to be 'self-proclaimed' an expert on class and creditials of the black elite?
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Old 03-31-2003, 08:21 AM
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Sorors,

The black elite is a very real class of people within our community here in America. I akin them to the talented tenth that W.E.B Dubois speaks of as leading the race out of the depths of despair into the light (loosely that is what he says). But to be real, he also mention Black Greek Letter Organizations as a part of that black elite system. I mean I think that it is rather unfortunate that within an oppressed class of people we reach to find even more things that seperates us from each other rather than uniting amoung and across oppresive structures, however this is just a way "the man" continues to keep us down.

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Old 03-31-2003, 03:40 PM
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My parents came in contact with those type of people all the time, but the "elite" was something my parents never found important enough to talk about in our household. It is very sad that once again we have found something to separate us as a people. I agree 100% with lovesupreme08.
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Old 03-31-2003, 06:34 PM
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The reality about a lot of the Black elite is that they do not know any different from the lives they are living everyday. It is not that they intend to become disliked by 'commoners.' It's just that they are accustomed to behaving and responding in a specific way to each situation and every single person around them behaves the exact same way!!

The people who are truly part of this community do not flaunt their money. Their behavior is dictated by the unspoken rules that have governed the lives of their families forever. This class did not develop as a means to further segregate our race. It simply evolved because of a group of people who have a heritage of wealth and choose to deal only with others on that level.

I was raised in a family deeply rooted in the Black elite of my city. I rejected the whole community early on, at least the social aspect. I could not do anything about the schools I went to, the activities I participated in, or the people I knew. I moved away from my city because I disliked this way of life so much, but not enough children of the Black elite make this choice. It is much more comfortable to live the life of wealth, plenty, and status than have to do things for yourself, based upon merit. They are comfortable with their lives and behavior. I personally saw more for myself and I kinda rebelled to show that I could be successful without using my name or family. So, I moved somewhere where no one knew me or anything about me.

But please believe that the Black elite exists and its roots go deep into the children and families. It is difficult to escape the lifesyle because of the ridicule your family may experience based on your choices. It is one thing to be wealthy, but to be part of the elite class in a city brings additional demands on your emotions, behavior, and life. I have to say that unfortunately many of its members do not try to be snobs, they just don't know any other way of life or behavior.
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Old 03-31-2003, 11:26 PM
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Re: Re: Re: ttt

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Same here. Old money quietly, discreetly handles its business.

The whole Our Kind of People 800 idea seems rather recherche, which means "pretentious," BTW. But I'm getting a good laugh out of this.
This is ridiculous. I imagine the people he "wants" to nominate themselves have nothing to do with him. It's one thing to recognize that a Black elite exists, but an online registry? What's that about?

The man just tries too hard.
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Old 04-01-2003, 12:32 PM
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This is ridiculous. I imagine the people he "wants" to nominate themselves have nothing to do with him. It's one thing to recognize that a Black elite exists, but an online registry? What's that about?

The man just tries too hard.
Dude tries waaaay tooo hard. I still think he resents not having a chance to experience what he considers a full black boogie (sic) life, and it does come through in the book.

I would be curious, however, to know who may end up on that registry.
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Old 09-01-2003, 10:31 PM
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TTT/elite party

New York Times story featuring the children of the late Commerce Secretary Ron Brown (who was in an NIC fraternity, piece of trivia). Tracey Brown is 2nd from left in photo:

August 31, 2003
GOOD COMPANY
A Sag Harbor Sister-Fest
By LINDA LEE


SAG HARBOR, N.Y.

YOU could say that Morris Reid didn't so much give a party for Tracey L. Brown last weekend as take one — from a client, a liquor conglomerate, eager to back a series of get-togethers. Such is the nature of Hamptons entertaining that the purpose is not just a fun night out but sometimes to promote an agenda — in this case, putting certain brands into the hands of the right crowd. And this was the right crowd. Ms. Brown, a lawyer and author, is the daughter of Ronald H. Brown, commerce secretary under Bill Clinton, who died in 1996 in a plane crash in Croatia.

The party was held in the five-bedroom waterfront house belonging to Alma Brown, Ms. Brown's mother. It was built in 1998 in a neighborhood that is a home to many prominent African-Americans, including the lawyer Johnny Cochran; the lifestyle guru B. Smith ; Earl Graves Jr., the founder of Black Enterprise magazine ; and Susan Taylor, the editor of Essence magazine.

"In the Hamptons, the whites have their place, and this is ours — we're not all P. Diddy," said Lisa Bonner, an entertainment lawyer based in Los Angeles and once Ms. Brown's classmate at Boston College.

At 6:30, Ms. Brown, 35, was in the dining area managing traffic, talking to the servers and doing one seating chart after another. And fretting about her carefully cultivated tan.

"I went yesterday and had a massage," she said. "And they came to me and said, `We're trying something new — would you like a microdermabrasion?' And it felt great, but when I was done they had exfoliated my beautiful tan. So I sat out today and worked on my tan." And she fended off Ms. Bonner's advice about her closets. "You had a skort in there," Ms. Bonner said.

"It is not," Ms. Brown insisted. "It's a short jumpsuit. And my stylish grandmother taught me that everything comes back."

The party was supposed to start at 7:30, but it had been a splendid day for golf, sailing and swimming, and people wandered in late. Dini von Mueffling, a journalist, arrived with a tub of salad and Matt Gohd, an adviser to Dr. Howard Dean of Vermont. "I'm the really rude guest who brought her own dinner," she said. "I'm on the raw food diet."

The servers passed around trays of chicken satay with peanut sauce from Barefoot Contessa in East Hampton to guests on the patio, facing Sag Harbor Bay. Mr. Reid, the host, who is a Washington political strategist, and his wife, Jaci, arrived from their house in East Hampton. This was his fifth Hamptons party this summer. He removed a cigar from his mouth and said, "Most have been at my house, but two have been done at someone else's — they invite their friends, and I fill in with other guests."

He underlined the intentional mix. "It's a diverse crowd," he said, "a real cross section." If a cross section can range from merely successful to wildly successful.

Ms. von Mueffling was first at the buffet table; she loaded a plate with steak and mushroom sauce, garlic mashed potatoes and steamed asparagus. "It's for Matt," she said quickly, referring to her date.

Ms. Brown's brother, Michael A. Brown, who is a Washington lobbyist, arrived from the golf course in time to eat. "I heard the cowbell," he said. Ed Johnson, an investment banker, skidded in at 9:20. "These two weeks are like cocktail party central," he said. "You say yes, and then you've got too many commitments."

With the guests seated at a long table on the terrace, just above the bay, fireworks erupted in celebration of the Sag Harbor Fire Department's 200th birthday — and immediately stopped. "That's all I could afford," Michael Brown joked.

He stood up. "This is a celebration dinner," he said. "First of all, my sister has a job. So give her a big hand for that." Ms. Brown, formerly a district attorney in Los Angeles, will join Mr. Cochran's law firm after Labor Day. "And," he said, "she's almost finished with her second book," a novel about the Hotel Theresa in Harlem.

The fireworks began again, and he sat down, saying, "I see my credit card worked — it's all part of the whole Tracey-fest environment."

Before the peaches poached in Cognac and served with vanilla ice cream, Mr. Brown stood up one more time to talk about his sister. And then for a moment he turned serious.

"One thing we need to remember," he said. "Forty years ago was the March on Washington," when Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. gave his "I Have a Dream" speech. People around the table applauded lightly, and continued to celebrate the good life.



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Old 09-29-2005, 03:43 PM
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Re: The Black Elite

I read the book. Many (if not most) of those featured appear to descend from the "nouveau riche" of the very late 1800s/early 1900s, rather than what is traditionally considered "old money". As such, one might conclude that these individuals are only PERPing "elite" status, but ...at least they're having fun doing it?

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Old 09-29-2005, 04:01 PM
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This one lady in the book even said that if [affluent] White people don't associate with middle/lower class/blue collar whites, so why should she associate with those same Black counterparts? T[/B]
Is she serious? How does she think she got where she is? There was once upon a time when all blacks were considered to be the lowest class. And we're still being looked at that way. And I know full well there's someone with more money, more class, more success than her who's she is associating or has assoicated with to get to the next level.
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