Weigh In: Legalizing Gay Marriage - Page 5

Cloud9 · #61 08-20-2003, 01:18 PM

I had another thought to add(hopefully I'm not pissing anyone off, and I mean no disrespect to Honeykiss at all, I find the discussion interesting)...

For those who believe that the law and biblical mandate should be intertwined, what shall we do about the commandment, "thou shalt have no other Gods but me?" I suppose in that case belonging to a polytheistic religion would be illegal. Shall we shut down all the Hindu temples? Arrest the Buddhists? And those Jews, they don't recognize the true Messiah, they need to be penalized in some way.

Also, no translation of the Bible is "the real translation." There have been many studies to show that over the years there have been serious misinterpretations of passages. The only "real" bible(old testament anyways) would be in Hebrew. Before that, it was passed by word of mouth. Ever play telephone?
The new testament too, was not written until many years after Jesus' death.

It is one thing to lead your own life according to your interpretations of the writtings that dictate the laws of your chosen religion. It is quite another to tell everyone else to follow your individual understanding of existence and morality.

Sverige · #62 08-20-2003, 01:30 PM

I really don't see anything wrong with gays/lesbians being married except for the fact that if they adopt children their kids might get picked on their whole life for having poop loving or clit licking parents, that in turn might flick the wrong switch upstairs by the time they're adults and they could end up killing motherfuckers inorder to get them back for such a disrupted childhood. Thats why I can't understand the whole "born" gay philosophy. What are they going to do if they get kids? How can you pick out babies who are gay that way they won't feel uncomfortable as they grow up in society and realize what their parents are is taboo. I'm ok with them getting married, but no children. That's just a sacrifice they'll have to make for being abnormal, and the fact that they're not the majority.

Cloud9 · #63 08-20-2003, 01:40 PM

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I really don't see anything wrong with gays/lesbians being married except for the fact that if they adopt children their kids might get picked on their whole life for having poop loving or clit licking parents, that in turn might flick the wrong switch upstairs by the time they're adults and they could end up killing motherfuckers inorder to get them back for such a disrupted childhood. Thats why I can't understand the whole "born" gay philosophy. What are they going to do if they get kids? How can you pick out babies who are gay that way they won't feel uncomfortable as they grow up in society and realize what their parents are is taboo. I'm ok with them getting married, but no children. That's just a sacrifice they'll have to make for being abnormal, and the fact that they're not the majority.

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Do you come from Sweden, or Mars?

Honeykiss1974 · #64 08-20-2003, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by Cloud9
I had another thought to add(hopefully I'm not pissing anyone off, and I mean no disrespect to Honeykiss at all, I find the discussion interesting)...

For those who believe that the law and biblical mandate should be intertwined, what shall we do about the commandment, "thou shalt have no other Gods but me?" I suppose in that case belonging to a polytheistic religion would be illegal. Shall we shut down all the Hindu temples? Arrest the Buddhists? And those Jews, they don't recognize the true Messiah, they need to be penalized in some way.

Also, no translation of the Bible is "the real translation." There have been many studies to show that over the years there have been serious misinterpretations of passages. The only "real" bible(old testament anyways) would be in Hebrew. Before that, it was passed by word of mouth. Ever play telephone?
The new testament too, was not written until many years after Jesus' death.

No offense taken at all with your post

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It is one thing to lead your own life according to your interpretations of the writtings that dictate the laws of your chosen religion. It is quite another to tell everyone else to follow your individual understanding of existence and morality.

In any civilized society there has to be a moral standard to follow. Can you imagine what the US would be like if we cancelled every law that even had a hint of morality in it.

Regarding other religions, they don't need to be penalized for existing. They have to obey the same laws of the land as I do. I am sure there are religions beside Christianity that are trying to influence their local and state, even national laws just as well.

sugar and spice · #65 08-20-2003, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake

Gay marriage is not an issue between the man and man or woman or woman (or whatever). It effects everyone's pocket book. If it happens, we all will end up with higher insurance premiums and higher taxes (fair to assume that since less tax money and insurance would be collected on account of more married people).

But with that reasoning, we should also deny marriage rights to black people, because that would make the marriage rate go down and thus the rest of us will have lower insurance premiums and lower taxes! Or why not deny marriage rights to all non-Christians? Or anyone under the age of 60?

I agree with you that gay marriage is not just a "bedroom issue," but that's not a valid reason for keeping it illegal.

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Originally posted by Cloud9
I always keep in mind that the bible was orally passed, written, rewritten, translated, retranslated, edited, and re-edited by man. Man is fallable. And often the men of religion have had other agendas besides simply sharing the truth of faith. Just a sidenote...

Exactly. The Bible is NOT the word of God. It is the word of God passed down through and described by many, many men.

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Originally posted by erniegurl00
I might be going out on a limb for this, but why do we take some things in the Bible so darn literally but other things we just "skip" over?

Way too many people apply the Bible to just the parts of their life that they want to apply it to. I know plenty of people who condemn homosexuality while participating in pre-marital sex, and that is just crazy. If you're following everything in the Bible to the letter, that's great -- but I have yet to meet a Christian who is.

valkyrie · #66 08-20-2003, 01:57 PM

Although I disagree with everything you have said, I want to try to understand where you're coming from because I don't.

You take vows and marriage very seriously. Good for you -- I don't think that there is anything wrong with that. What baffles me is why you are concerned about how other people view their relationships. How does it affect you if other people get divorced or if gay people are able to marry? How does is affect you if other people don't take marriage seriously? How does that have any effect at all on your relationship or your life?

I just absolutely fail to understand why anybody here is concerned with other people's relationships and how they define them. When my divorce is final, what effect will that have on any other member of GC? None! Maybe some of you think less of me because I've broken my vows or whatever, but I believe that life is too short to stay in a relationship when you're not happy. That doesn't mean that I'm going to go out and tell all of the unhappily married people out there that they should get divorced because they are defiling the concept of marriage. Their relationships have nothing to do with me, and I think that people should be free to do what they want.

I think it's great to have things that you belive in very strongly, but I don't understand the desire to force others to fit into the mold that you have chosen for yourself.

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Originally posted by Ginger
This is EXACTLY the problem. Marriage doesn't mean anything to people anymore. Marriage is for LIFE. I'm not even religious (I believe in God, but I'm not a member of any particular religion), so it's not that I'm against it because of the bible or whatnot.

My problem with legalizing gay marriage is that people don't value what marriage is anymore. I am getting married in a year and my future husband and I have discussed that we will be married for LIFE.... come what may, divorce is not an option. It is simply not. Even if, heaven forbid, we become morbidly unhappy - we have made our vows and those vows are to work it out. Both of my parents were divorced before they met each other, and remarried to have me. Both of them say that while they are much happier in their second marriage (yay for parents who love each other!!) that they are very guilty over breaking their vows and that they should not have married their first spouses. They taught me to value the vows I will say in front of the Justice of the Peace, and that they are not vows that can be broken.

If we're going to teach children (and adults) to learn to respect the meaning of what marriage is, we need to set limits on who can be married. Marriage is between a man and a woman who love one another and plan to spend their life together. Marriage is not between me and my brother, or me and my sorority sister. I may love them, and want to have them in my life forever, but marriage is not the venue for that. There are other ways to express that love... and it's not through marriage.

edited to add: I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for this.... so flame on. I'm going to be away from the computer until tomorrow morning, so I'll reply to all RESPECTFUL questions/discussion then. I'm not going to reply to flames.

Sverige · #67 08-20-2003, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by Cloud9
?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you come from Sweden, or Mars?

Shocked? Why? For religious reasons? Political reasons? Moral reasons? Ethical reasons?

DZHBrown · #68 08-20-2003, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by Sverige
I really don't see anything wrong with gays/lesbians being married except for the fact that if they adopt children their kids might get picked on their whole life for having poop loving or clit licking parents, that in turn might flick the wrong switch upstairs by the time they're adults and they could end up killing motherfuckers inorder to get them back for such a disrupted childhood. Thats why I can't understand the whole "born" gay philosophy. What are they going to do if they get kids? How can you pick out babies who are gay that way they won't feel uncomfortable as they grow up in society and realize what their parents are is taboo. I'm ok with them getting married, but no children. That's just a sacrifice they'll have to make for being abnormal, and the fact that they're not the majority.

Wow. THAT was eloquent.

Munchkin03 · #69 08-20-2003, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by Cloud9
?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you come from Sweden, or Mars?

Ah, he comes from Florida. 'Cause he's UFPike.

Sverige · #70 08-20-2003, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by Munchkin03
Ah, he comes from Florida. 'Cause he's UFPike.

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Wow! 1000 posts and you're not a moderator yet? I wonder whats holding you back?

Back to Topic now!

#71 08-20-2003, 02:39 PM

Valkyrie -

Please re-read the last (full size) paragraph of my post. That should answer all of your questions.

valkyrie · #72 08-20-2003, 02:43 PM

Ginger, I don't think that it answers any of my questions, so I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree.

librasoul22 · #73 08-20-2003, 02:51 PM

Sverige...that was a funny post considering all of your gay pride posts of yore. Stop beating off to pics of Jordan Knight and come out of the closet already.

As far as the question goes...I just really want to know WHY ANYONE CARES what everyone else is doing. I mean like Valkyrie said...you all could get married tomorrow to a man, woman, tree, or kitchen utensil and guess what? My day would go on just as it would have otherwise. I swear people spend so much time worrying about everyone else...

People that come on here preaching (not anyone in particular here, just in general) need to understand that NOT EVERYONE follows the same value system YOU do. And is that judgment seeping through in the posts? I surely hope not, because as far as I am aware, that is a big no-no as well.

Sverige · #74 08-20-2003, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by librasoul22
Sverige...that was a funny post considering all of your gay pride posts of yore. Stop beating off to pics of Jordan Knight and come out of the closet already.

I don't have gay pride, who is Jordan Knight?

Honeykiss1974 · #75 08-20-2003, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by librasoul22
Sverige...that was a funny post considering all of your gay pride posts of yore. Stop beating off to pics of Jordan Knight and come out of the closet already.

As far as the question goes...I just really want to know WHY ANYONE CARES what everyone else is doing. I mean like Valkyrie said...you all could get married tomorrow to a man, woman, tree, or kitchen utensil and guess what? My day would go on just as it would have otherwise. I swear people spend so much time worrying about everyone else...

People that come on here preaching (not anyone in particular here, just in general) need to understand that NOT EVERYONE follows the same value system YOU do. And is that judgment seeping through in the posts? I surely hope not, because as far as I am aware, that is a big no-no as well.

Good point that crosses both sides.... since both sides have been "preaching" the reasons for and against, right?