Phi Delta Theta & Kappa Sigma Withdrawl from NIC (Official Phi Delt Statement)

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Corsulian

As an aspiring Greek Life professional (years from now, after I've made millions of dollars playing the ponies), I'd like to know what that outlook is. Perhaps because it is 2AM, I couldn't figure exactly what you were going for there.

I think what Firehouse is trying to say nicely is that they are way too politically correct and more concerned about playing nicey nice with the school administrations, rather than supporting the Greek system.

There's a difference between being impartial from fraternity to fraternity (i.e. applying the same rush rules to everyone) and laying down (i.e. supporting the school when they kick groups off for really bogus reasons).

But I can't see you doing that dude.

[nate2512]

I think that something is being mishandled here. Kappa Sigma has not claimed to biggest fraternity. All Kappa Sigma has claimed is being the most preferred. Meaning it pledges more people than any other.

http://www.kappasigma.org/php-bin/ne...hp?id=165&ref=

[Firehouse]

Look, Kappa Sigmas can say whatever they want. It's a fine fraternity. I just thought it was interesting that they've hit on exactly the same promotion that Sig Ep discovered: claim to be the largest fraternity based on having the largest number of undergraduates nationally at the moment. This as opposed to being the largest fratrenity because they have the most chapters, or the most alumni, or the largest average chapter size. Sig Ep expanded very rapidly - nothing wrong with that - and because they initiate their "pledges" almost immediately they find themselves with an unusually large number of undergrads.
Kappa Sigma is in a state of extreme expansion right now. Nothing wrong with that, but the "large size" claim [or, "most popular based on size" claim whichever you prefer] comes from suddenly having established all these colonies, and not from a corresponding increase in average chapter strength (size).

We all sell what we have to sell. I'm a Pike, but I admire the sucessful fraternities, like Kappa Sigma. However, I also appreciate the quality of a Beta Theta Pi or Phi Delt or Fiji or Delta Tau Delta. Those four in particular will never claim to rank among the largest nationals because of their very conservative and selective expansion policies. But I can tell you that in tems of quality, they are four of the top national fraternities and have been for a very long time.

[nate2512]

This may be a bit of a thread hijack, but one thing, as a member of Kappa Sigma, I wonder how long this expansion is going to continue. I personally don't have any worries that we aren't getting quality guys because I have seen three colonies initiated recently and they were all quality guys. And also I have seen what it takes for a colony to gain their charter, and it is not for the weak of heart. And you are correct, we have to sell what we've got.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Ilaria Ame

i've done some research and am still confused, so i apologize if this question could be answered elsewhere, but what is the difference between the IFC and the NIC? are they the same group? is one part of the other? or are they two seperate groups not associated with each other? can a fraternity be a member of both? thanks in advance

NIC is the North-American Interfraternity Conference, to which (inter)national organizations belong. IFC is a campus Interfraternity Council (which may go by a different name), to which chapters belong. It is possible for a fraternity chapter to be a member of a campus IFC even if its national organization doesn't belong to the NIC. It is also, I suppose, possible for a chapter of an NIC fraternity not to belong to a campus IFC -- if, say, the chapter is not recognized by the school.

[nate2512]

Correct, we are a member of our university's IFC. It is an integral part of our success on our campus as well as many others.

[Ilaria Ame]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

NIC is the North-American Interfraternity Conference, to which (inter)national organizations belong. IFC is a campus Interfraternity Council (which may go by a different name), to which chapters belong. It is possible for a fraternity chapter to be a member of a campus IFC even if its national organization doesn't belong to the NIC. It is also, I suppose, possible for a chapter of an NIC fraternity not to belong to a campus IFC -- if, say, the chapter is not recognized by the school.

thank you for your explanation. it clears up exactly what i was confused about.

[daniellory]

I think making moves like this will make us all better off.

Originally Posted by daniellory

I think making moves like this will make us all better off.

So explain to me how this affects you, personally?