NPC appoints Community College Task Force

[Titchou]

Forgot about that, FSUZeta and Carnation....oohhh..

[breathesgelatin]

Coming out of lurkerdom for this exciting topic

I have a little bit of a different perspective--maybe it's not that different, I don't know.

It's an open secret that the Texas fraternities pledge ACC students. Tons of young men who can't get in as freshmen move to Austin from Dallas and Houston, move into the West Campus student neighborhood, and rush. I don't know if they actually get initiated but they for sure call themselves members. Then they apply for transfer admission as sophomores and make it official.

This practice annoys me and I'd rather consider paths toward making it legal.

I don't think the sororities do this...?

I also think it's OK if some NPC orgs would be interested in colonizing at community colleges and others wouldn't. But some large urban community colleges are huge, offer 4 year degree, and may not resemble the image of community college that some here have...

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

Coming out of lurkerdom for this exciting topic

I have a little bit of a different perspective--maybe it's not that different, I don't know.

It's an open secret that the Texas fraternities pledge ACC students. Tons of young men who can't get in as freshmen move to Austin from Dallas and Houston, move into the West Campus student neighborhood, and rush. I don't know if they actually get initiated but they for sure call themselves members. Then they apply for transfer admission as sophomores and make it official.

This practice annoys me and I'd rather consider paths toward making it legal.

I don't think the sororities do this...?

I know (or know of) several guys who have done this at ACC. Most were successful, some were not. Just like those going to UT fully admitted or via PACE. Most of the kids (girls and boys) whose parents let them do this were just off getting into UT (the auto-admit is now top 6% of a graduating class, and the others admitted outside of that are few and far between). They're already highly successful students, they just want a UT degree & they don't want to spend their first year (25% of a typical 4-year degree) in the wrong city. They want too start making their friends in the dorms with the rest of the first-years.

The sororities do not allow you to go through as a full ACC student - you must have a UT ID# to participate. Most girls load up on college credits the summer before freshman year so that they can apply to UT for spring admittance of their freshman year.

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

I also think it's OK if some NPC orgs would be interested in colonizing at community colleges and others wouldn't. But some large urban community colleges are huge, offer 4 year degree, and may not resemble the image of community college that some here have...

I agree with this, just not sure what it would look like and what the ramifications would be. I also agree that some groups may not want to pursue it, but should consider voting in favor of it it if there are groups who would like to pursue it.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

I also agree that some groups may not want to pursue it, but should consider voting in favor of it it if there are groups who would like to pursue it.

This sounds too much like when we were voting on mixers (which we did week by week). The mixer would get approved, only a third of the sisters would show up, and we would look like asshats. Then it came about that people were voting like this: “well I have a class/study group/rehearsal/what have you that night, but I voted in favor of it so other people could go and enjoy it.” After that, we said: don’t vote in favor of a mixer unless you can/intend to actually GO to the mixer.

I would use the exact same reasoning here. If you don’t intend to ever submit an expansion proposal to a community college, don’t vote in favor of it just because you think ABC or XYZ would want to. Let ABC and XYZ worry about themselves.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by 33girl

This sounds too much like when we were voting on mixers (which we did week by week). The mixer would get approved, only a third of the sisters would show up, and we would look like asshats. Then it came about that people were voting like this: “well I have a class/study group/rehearsal/what have you that night, but I voted in favor of it so other people could go and enjoy it.” After that, we said: don’t vote in favor of a mixer unless you can/intend to actually GO to the mixer.

I would use the exact same reasoning here. If you don’t intend to ever submit an expansion proposal to a community college, don’t vote in favor of it just because you think ABC or XYZ would want to. Let ABC and XYZ worry about themselves.

I don't think that quite applies to the way that NPC works (or at least worked in the past). Several of the groups that joined the NPC after its formation were forced to shed/spinoff chapters at schools that didn't fit the NPC requirements for a school with NPC chapters.

So given *that*, Sorority1 can't have chapters at Local Community College unless the NPC votes to allow to have its groups have chapters at schools that don't grant bachelor's degrees. The question is whether Sorority2which doesn't want to have chapters at Community voting to abstain on such a vote counts as the same as a "No" vote or not (so if 12 vote yes, and 14 abstain does it pass? (Assuming a Majority is required, which I don't know)




(Current policy: The institution must be a senior college or university
that is authorized to confer a bachelor’s degree and that has received a satisfactory rating by the pertinent recognized regional association of colleges and secondary schools or other recognized agency and/or entity that confers accreditation in the relevant jurisdiction.)

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by 33girl

This sounds too much like when we were voting on mixers (which we did week by week). The mixer would get approved, only a third of the sisters would show up, and we would look like asshats. Then it came about that people were voting like this: “well I have a class/study group/rehearsal/what have you that night, but I voted in favor of it so other people could go and enjoy it.” After that, we said: don’t vote in favor of a mixer unless you can/intend to actually GO to the mixer.

I would use the exact same reasoning here. If you don’t intend to ever submit an expansion proposal to a community college, don’t vote in favor of it just because you think ABC or XYZ would want to. Let ABC and XYZ worry about themselves.

I get where you're going with this, but doesn't it have to be a unanimous vote? So just letting ABC and XYZ worry about themselves kinda screws them over, right? If it doesn't have to be a unanimous vote then, your thinking makes sense to me.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

I also think it's OK if some NPC orgs would be interested in colonizing at community colleges and others wouldn't. But some large urban community colleges are huge, offer 4 year degree, and may not resemble the image of community college that some here have...

Do you mean they get a bachelor’s degree?

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Do you mean they get a bachelor’s degree?

https://study.com/blog/do-community-...r-degrees.html

https://www.communitycollegereview.c...unity-colleges

https://transfer.santarosa.edu/ca-co...helors-degrees

[TriDeltaSallie]

Here's another twist in the CC situation. I know someone whose daughter was very accomplished at a top public school. She opted to save money and went to CC, lived at home, and worked. Her plan was to transfer to a Big Ten university after two years. Then it was to transfer to a Division II University after two years. She was enrolled, had a room assignment, etc. She realized she did not want to pay the money for the experience.

Instead what she ended up doing was taking advantage of a new program in the state. She goes to CC for three years and then transfers to a state school for one year. She graduates with a full degree from that university.

Three years of CC and living at home = cheap
One year at state university (NCAA Division II) = pay it out of pocket, no debt, four year degree from a perfectly fine university

We're kidding ourselves if we think the coronavirus isn't going to accelerate this kind of thinking. With the degree she's pursuing (education) she will have zero problem finding a job after graduating from this school. She ticks all the other boxes too in terms of personality, etc. She would actually have been a great sorority member somewhere.

And no debt.

[*winter*]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Do you mean they get a bachelor’s degree?

CCAC had a few programs leading to a bachelors degree even almost 20 years ago, when my sister was thinking of going there to finish her education degree. I imagine it’s expanded from there, and they probably offer quite a few 4 year degrees these days.

[Sister Havana]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Do you mean they get a bachelor’s degree?

College of DuPage, my local community college, has a very popular 3 + 1 program. You take 3 years of classes at COD, then one year taught by faculty from one of the partner universities on the COD campus.

[FSUZeta]

"It's an open secret that the Texas fraternities pledge ACC students. Tons of young men who can't get in as freshmen move to Austin from Dallas and Houston, move into the West Campus student neighborhood, and rush. I don't know if they actually get initiated but they for sure call themselves members. Then they apply for transfer admission as sophomores and make it official." Breathesgelatin

They also did that in Tallahassee and Gainesville-caused all sorts of trouble.

[FSUZeta]

Remind me again, please naraht, which sorority are you a member of?

[Alumna2]

Did not read all of the posts on this thread so I may be repeating an earlier note.

When NPC formed in 1902, several of the founding groups had chapters at what might be called junior colleges. Anyway, they were not accredited, four year colleges. In a couple of cases, the Alpha chapters of the groups were at such a college.

The original National Panhellenic Congress required member groups to give up such charters. Groups could have alumnae chapters, mothers' clubs and college chapters at accredited four year institutions only.

So I am surprised our current National Panhellenic Council is considering such a dramatic change. To have such groups at junior colleges is great - but why would they need to be NPC groups? I agree that this would not be in the best interests of the girls themselves if they choose to transition to a four year university to complete their career ambitions. In recent years it has been shared on this network that many campuses have two quotas - freshman and upper class - because having four years of membership ahead of you was already an advantage for PNMs in recruitment. Also agree with the few posts I read which pointed out that as likely as not, the university a woman chooses will not have the same groups as her JC did. Even if there was a match in groups on campus, would they be a match in interests?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Alumna2

Did not read all of the posts on this thread so I may be repeating an earlier note.

When NPC formed in 1902, several of the founding groups had chapters at what might be called junior colleges. Anyway, they were not accredited, four year colleges. In a couple of cases, the Alpha chapters of the groups were at such a college.

The original National Panhellenic Congress required member groups to give up such charters. Groups could have alumnae chapters, mothers' clubs and college chapters at accredited four year institutions only.

So I am surprised our current National Panhellenic Council is considering such a dramatic change. To have such groups at junior colleges is great - but why would they need to be NPC groups? I agree that this would not be in the best interests of the girls themselves if they choose to transition to a four year university to complete their career ambitions. In recent years it has been shared on this network that many campuses have two quotas - freshman and upper class - because having four years of membership ahead of you was already an advantage for PNMs in recruitment. Also agree with the few posts I read which pointed out that as likely as not, the university a woman chooses will not have the same groups as her JC did. Even if there was a match in groups on campus, would they be a match in interests?

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