I've Had It!

[Star Turtle]

look ya'll -

i never said to stop having opinions, that's what makes each of us great and amazing, i was just trying to point out how personal it's gotten

and now, because of this - i'm being bashed - come on!

just don't make it "i hate gc'er so and so cause they said this"

that's not the point




damasa! - I LOVED THAT!

[observant1]

Originally posted by Serenity
I don't know... the whole bashing SAEPi seems so "high school" to me

Kind of reminds me of how the pledges are acting on the show.

Originally posted by Serenity
I've never seen a worse case of kicking someone when they were down, regardless of whether or not you felt they deserved it, than on the threads relating to "Sorority Life".

Kind of reminds me of how the pledges are acting on the show.

Originally posted by Serenity
I'm starting to wonder if jealousy really is an issue for some GC'ers because some of the comments have been just plain rude and bitchy.

Kind of like the pledges on the show.

Originally posted by Serenity
I think the fact that most of the conversation is being held by the women on this forum speaks VOLUMES.

Have I stated that it kind of reminds me of the show.

Originally posted by Serenity
What are your comments saying about your chapter? You're so proud and overjoyed to make snide and bitchy comments with your letters in your screen name. I hope you don't think it's going unnoticed.

Sort of like the show and how it's portraying Sigma.

Originally posted by Serenity
Stop hiding behind the negative greek image excuse because some of you aren't helping the situation at all. Stop talking out of both sides of your mouth!!

Who needs MTV's Sorority Life, when you've got the unedited, straight from the horses mouth action right here on GC?

[Dionysus]

Got midol?

[KSig RC]

Hm . . . I'll strap on the letters in my handle, and step on out I guess - just a few quick points:

-It is perfectly understandable to talk about the show's impact on greek life, and greek stereotypes - that affects everyone here directly. It is NOT understandable to judge these people. Comments about hair, make-up, clothing - how do these impact the show's effects on greek life? Past this, if negative nicknames are examples of promoting bad stereotypes . . . well do the math. Plus - for all the "THIS SHOW IS RUINING RUSH!!!" comments I read, I don't see but maybe one post addressing how to positively impart change . . . I can guarantee you that Sorority Life will not hurt my rush, I couldn't give a damn for that particular point (and how it relates to Jordan's make-up).

-We'll all admit that this was, most likely, a mistake on the part of the SigmaAEPi sorority (IN OUR OPINIONS) . . . but this doesn't allow soapboxing, or give us a position of moral superiority from which statements (or judgements) directed at people can be aimed, does it? Better yet, doesn't this sort of action just absolutely smack of ironic hypocrisy?

-If any of you have a Gamma Chi in your signiture or recent past, it doesn't work (to me) to talk shit about the Sigma AEPi sorority, or individual sisters. Talk about the show, etc - but it's antithetical to act as such toward another GLO, right? I didn't jump on that boat, to be correct, but I think that was the point of the endeavor, no?

To me, it seems that most of the responses don't read any of the opposition view's writings, so I guess since I'm not on either side mine probably will go unread - but that's OK. Discussion like this can be very very good, an intrepid quest for understanding - however, degenerating into jawing and catty quibbling quickly becomes "RETARTED"

-RC, the Kappa Sigma

[Peaches-n-Cream]

Originally posted by AXO Alum


Oh, sorry - my fault. Guess this is because Alpha Chi Omega DOES NOT ALLOW us to have distinctions between SISTERS and NEW MEMBERS ("pledges" huh - hmmm...NPC had a statement about that somewhere....now where is it....I'm looking for it...). It is stated in our constitution and by-laws that once that bid card is signed, then you are considered a SISTER with the same rights and privileges as any other sister. The ONLY exception is that they don't know ritual. PERIOD. Oops - guess that is just me being bitchy again and making superiority references to my organization. Like I said...sorry that not everyone has had the experience I have had. I guess that I am fortunate to know what I wanted from a sisterhood and went there to get it.

Are your new members allowed to vote and attend chapter meetings? Is this unique to your sorority? I wonder because I've been out of college for a while. I was a pledge and could not do those things.

[gphiangel624]

Wow, this is really fun to watch so many people get worked up over something that happened like 6 months ago. But I guess that's not the point...

I'm sure the ladies of Sigma are hearing, seeing, reading all the negative remarks regarding their choice to participate in this program. And I'm sure they're all going, "yeah, some of what these Greeks say is right..." Some of them are saying they made a mistake by participating in the show, some of them are overjoyed at the publicity (who wouldn't be?), some of them are getting paid a lot more than any of us on GC are because of their time on the show. So why are we complaining people? It bugs me just as much as all of you that this chapter is being portrayed differently from how "Sorority Life" really is, and that the shock factor has been raised just for entertainment value. But it's not like we can go back and change the events of the show, who was selected to Pledge, and what will be the result of it?

All we can do to protect our rep as Greeks is take it all with a grain of salt. Yes, some chapters may suffer in Recruitment numbers because members won't be able to explain the difference between TV and Real Life... What's done is done and we should just all make the most of it! The men and women that are worth joining all the wonderful chapters that make up the "Greek community" are going to flock when the Recruitment time comes... and the ones who don't have the faith in our organizations that have passed the tests of time and honor will simply miss out on the many experiences sorority and fraternity life has to offer...

If I can share a little story to make you guys see what I mean...

I work for my University's New Student summer orientation program... one of our counselors (she happens to be NPC-affiliated) had a freshman in one of her groups. This freshman did not comprehend that she couldn't take classes that overlap, and complained to no end to her counselor... When the counselor explained that she couldn't take both classes because they overlapped and she had to go to class, the freshman looked at her, puzzled, and with a whining voice complained: "but that's not what it's like in the movies! In the movies, college kids don't go to class... they just drink and party with the fraternities and sororities!" Is this the kind of naive mentality that we want in our community??? I didn't think so...


I'm a little Gamma Phi, Delta Lambda, Riverside. Everybody smiles at me, That is why I'm a G Phi B!"

[James]

AXO Alum and kddani,

I don't believe the vast majority of members [are hiding their affiliation . . . it might not be in their user name but an awful lot are in their signatures, or profiles, or have been posted somewhere on the boards.

I actually use my real name so I guess I could claim a lot of legitamacy and say that the very vast majority of you are afraid to post your honest opinions under a name that you can easily be held accountable.

After all withholding your real name doesn't prevent you from being stalked . . a stalker could find out who you are.

But I might be misunderstanding the whole user name issue.

Originally posted by AXO Alum


By the way....after the comment that someone made about what my letters say about me and my organization....now WHY is it that *SOME* people are in hiding and WON'T publish what organization they belong to....hmmm....like I said - I'm not hiding anything.

[chideltjen]

gphiangel, i liked what you had to say.

ok an explanation: it's funny when you get on a train of thought and then you are interupted and can't think of what you wanted to finish posting so you post and then everyone takes offense to it.

First off: I call all girls, (friends, sisters, whomever) chicks. Call it a sacramento thing. I wasn't calling you a feathered fowl so chill out. but that is completely off topic.

AXOalum: I honestly don't see what you have to worry about with recruitment. If your sisterhood is so awesome and you are sorry that not everyone experienced the same sisterhood you did, I would expect girls to be lining up to get a bid, reguardless of what they saw on TV. And all of the high schoolers that are telling they won't join now because of the show both a) probably didn't want to join in the first place and just needed any excuse not to go greek and b) believe everything they see on TV and don't realize that a lot of things have been spliced and edited out. Yes we all didn't like the slap on national TV, but if you prove to your new recruits that you have unconditional love for your sisters, the memory of the slap on TV won't be so prominent.

Face it kids, greek life got slapped in the face this summer. bashing other sororities isn't gonna help your rep so instead of saying "sigma is bad, sigma is wrong" how about saying "ok, a GLO did something wrong, now how can we collectively help fix it?" It's gonna take a lot of good P.R and right now, this thread is far from good P.R. Some make some decent points while others just sound silly.
Honestly, we can only accept the show as mindless eye candy. It's MTV, could you honestly expect anything else? And as many people have stated before, what goes on off camera seems to stay off camera and even tho it contains vital information (example: did sylvia get repremanded?) it probably doesn't get ratings as easily. And it would be too easy for MTV to actually tell you that a NM was repremanded and it would kill the storyline the producers are creating. So instead of saying, well yes sylvia was punished blah blah blah, MTV wants you to think that she wasn't and then you get all pissed off and complain and it pulls you in for the next episode to see if anything new arises in the jessica/sylvia slap drama.

I think librasoul said it best: "Bottom line...worry less about what others think, and more about yourself. That way you can SHOW rather than TELL that your org defies the stereotypes."

And on another note: Sigma did mention in the first episode they were a jewish organization founded on jewish ideals. I personally think that it is acceptable to let their new members know that. It's a huge part of their sorority. While religion may not be a huge part of your sororority, don't criticize sigma for wondering if their new members were going to know about their traditions. Like I said before, it could have been asked a lil better, but I say, if religion isn't a huge part of your organization, there shouldn't be a problem in explaining to questioning women that it isn't. Sigma probably advertises themselves as a religious organization. if your organization doesn't, then don't worry about it.

it has happened, it is over with... let them finish off the season and then worry about damage control.

[RockChalk]

Originally posted by gphiangel624
[B]I work for my University's New Student summer orientation program... one of our counselors (she happens to be NPC-affiliated) had a freshman in one of her groups. This freshman did not comprehend that she couldn't take classes that overlap, and complained to no end to her counselor... When the counselor explained that she couldn't take both classes because they overlapped and she had to go to class, the freshman looked at her, puzzled, and with a whining voice complained: "but that's not what it's like in the movies! In the movies, college kids don't go to class... they just drink and party with the fraternities and sororities!" Is this the kind of naive mentality that we want in our community??? I didn't think so...

Well said. Folks, I wouldn't worry a whole lot about people not rushing because of this (rather silly) show. If they're too stupid to differentiate TV and real life, they wouldn't be an asset to your organization anyway. People who believe that "Sorority Life" is accurate probably felt the same way about "Animal House."

[Eirene_DGP]

Originally posted by KSig RC
Hm . . . I'll strap on the letters in my handle...

I'm trying to picture this...ROTFLMAO!!!!

[kddani]

James- oh, i know most people aren't hiding their GLO. This was directed more towards a few people who have come on board to GC lately and have tried to stir sh!t in this and several other threads.... yet when I look through their posts, there's no mention anywhere of what the GLO is.... actually no first hand experience of being in a GLO posted in some cases. I just don't like posers.... if you're not Greek, then fine you're still welcome here. But don't represent yourself as a Greek if you're not.

[33girl]

Originally posted by AXO Alum


Oh, sorry - my fault. Guess this is because Alpha Chi Omega DOES NOT ALLOW us to have distinctions between SISTERS and NEW MEMBERS ("pledges" huh - hmmm...NPC had a statement about that somewhere....now where is it....I'm looking for it...). It is stated in our constitution and by-laws that once that bid card is signed, then you are considered a SISTER with the same rights and privileges as any other sister. The ONLY exception is that they don't know ritual.

The method in which Sigma gave out bids is similar to Alpha Phi Omega. APO gives anyone a chance to pursue membership, but not everyone will be successful in that pursuit. You are not a brother until you complete the requirements for pledging and are initiated. Dionysus can back me up on this one. I'm not sure but I think Gamma Sigma Sigma might work the same way. Because of the policy that the choice to pursue membership is nonselective, there has to be some way to determine fitness for membership.

For the kabillionth time, Sigma is not an NPC sorority and does not have to obey the dictates of the NPC. So they can say pledge, pledge, pledge 24/7 if it tickles their fancy.

and I agree, anyone who chooses not to rush because of this show probably also believes that Allison could feasibly become president of D & D after working there a year, and 6 months of that as a receptionist. (flagrant Melrose Place reference)

[AXO Alum]

Originally posted by Cream


Are your new members allowed to vote and attend chapter meetings? Is this unique to your sorority? I wonder because I've been out of college for a while. I was a pledge and could not do those things.

Hi, Cream - yes our new members vote, attend chapter meetings, and ALL chapter functions, etc. They are allowed to hold offices immediately (if there is a vacant one) and they participate in every event as a full sister. Like I said - the only exception is that they do not know ritual. I have been with AXO for 8 years now, and even during my new member days, this was the way things were. I know of other sororities who also allow their new members the same rights and privileges, so I wouldn't say that this is unique for us. Hope that helps explain it for you - thanks for asking .

Other replies...

James, I was referring to Serenity's post (page 3) where it was stated:

"You're so proud and overjoyed to make snide and bitchy comments with your letters in your screen name. I hope you don't think it's going unnoticed."

*Disclaimer - yes, Serenity signs her name with her letters - I wasn't saying that to her* - I was saying to others who are fully participating in this thread and calling me and others out for making statements and then saying (paraphrased) "you think you're so high and mighty because of your letters" that I have NEVER hidden behind my letters and that while I am a proud member of AXO, I am not saying that my statements are necessarily the opinion of AXO Inc. So that was the whole purpose of my comment before.

Observant1 - ooooo - you better knock that sarcasm off before the Tri-P's (Pity Party Police) come and arrest you for not allowing sufficient "oh poor Sigmas" and "those poor poor girls" to be represented in your post

ChiDeltJen - you say using "chick" is a Sacramento thing, and that you call EVERYONE "chick" -- how do your female professors like that? I mean surely you must say in your classes with female professors "Excuse me CHICK, but could you explain that theory to me?" I just wondered how that went over with them. And if that's the case, I guess that its perfectly alright for me to call people "Retardos" if I just tell them afterward that that's what I call EVERYBODY and its a Southern thing. BUT - on the other hand, if I call out people who have totally SCREWED up with something in a VERY public manner, then it ISN'T okay?? Hmmm - perhaps you could explain this logic to me. OH, RIGHT - I just figured it out....I don't AGREE with you so therefore it is OKAY for you to say what you want, but obviously NOT okay for me -- now I'm getting it. Thanks for clarifying!

And for the record, yes my sisterhood IS so awesome and I am VERY proud of that -- BUT, wow, imagine this....not EVERY school is PRO-GREEK -- dang - go figure. Now how can that be? Which means that EVERY org on campus works three times as hard to get women to join. Not that none of us are worth anything, but that you can't recruit people who aren't there!!

And I totally disagree with you and others on the believing in TV issue -- did you see the "Rosie Special - For the Kids" where Rosie O'Donnell came out as a lesbian?? Do you believe THAT was real? Or did she just do it for the cameras? WE all watch TV and believe AT LEAST SOME PART of things we see. Otherwise, we wouldn't believe that there is a WAR going on right now. Did you see the Daniel Pearl tapes where the captors had him and in the next scene he was dead?? Do you NOT believe that those people killed him? I mean come on, we ARE after all, only seeing ONE side of the story. According to your reasoning, we should just as likely assume that Daniel Pearl killed some of their men while off camera!!

librasoul22 -- TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE....Bottom line...worry less about what others think, and more about yourself."

Cashmere and KDDani - you two are at risk of arrest by the Tri-P's as well....you need to work on your pity techniques

OH - and the post about "not judging people if you haven't walked in their shoes" -- again, I have never met Charles Manson, much less tried his shoes on (are they allowed shoes in prison or just those paper thingy's?) -- but I have NO desire to do either and I can still sit here and say that that man (in my opinion) is the devil himself at work. I have NO pity for him and wish that someone would have been smart enough to kill his sorry behind in the same manner that he killed others. I have also NEVER walked in the shoes of the terrorists who were responsible for 9-11, but I say that a thousand deaths isn't enough for them, and that there is a special place in Hell for them that at this moment I hope they are getting the full benefit from.

So do you feel differently, since technically NONE of us have walked in their shoes (at least I hope not - unless you are a secret terrorist using this site to gain details on how to derail the greek system or something)? Just a thought to ponder...

[Thrillhouse]

Originally posted by Dionysus
Got midol?

hahahahahah

[Thrillhouse]

Originally posted by KSig RC


To me, it seems that most of the responses don't read any of the opposition view's writings, so I guess since I'm not on either side mine probably will go unread - but that's OK. Discussion like this can be very very good, an intrepid quest for understanding - however, degenerating into jawing and catty quibbling quickly becomes "RETARTED"

-RC, the Kappa Sigma

These mind games, I just can't take it anymore