Is a "Pimps and Ho's Party" disrepectful???

[Dove Gal]

As myself being a African American I can see where phikappapsiman is coming from. Even though hollywood is hollywood and yes African Amercians have gotten a bad name from being pimps. Don't just look at moveis, look at the media, and enteraniers such as rappers that portray themselves as being pimps and proud of it. I might be going out on a limb here but I think that some of you might just focus on the movie aspect with pimps and hoes theme.

I remember a few years ago on HBO (I think). They had this special about the pimp of the year. For those who have never heard it let me explain. Every year in Chicago all the pimps come out with their hoes to Chicago. The pimps are dressed up in alligator shoes flashy 70's pimped out suits. Gold chains, wathces, rings, and anything else you can think of. Some of these pimps will also bring their cars. I mean these cars are nice, I will give them that. But basically the pimp of the year is the one who has the most hoes (females), money, and the best style of dress. This event is very disrespectful to all females sometimes by they way these feamles are portrayed. Because they are hardly wearing any clothes, heck most of the time they are not wearing anything but their birthday suit. The bad thing about this is, that some of these rappers are there known for their pimpin lyrics are there helping to support this event. The thing that makes me the maddest is that about 99% of these pimps and hoes (females) are African American! Yes, there is about 1% that is a minority in this field. Wheter they are Asian, Latino, white, or it is a female pimp. They are considered a minority in the pimpin lifestyle. That is why African Americans get a bad rap for being known as pimps. This is only how I feel about it. Not all African Americans feel the same way I do, this is just how I feel. I cannot speak for all African Americans, just myself.

That is why I will never undrestand how any female would be able to go to a mixers with the pimps and hoes theme. I feel that we as females are being degraded. The way I think about is that how these pimps got all their money and material things were from a women who go out and do sexual acts for money! When they go back to their pimp they get majority of their money. For all the hard work they did.

I will never support a theme like this.

Sigma Kappa
One Heart, One way

[RUgreek]

Ok, one last thing I want to say here. I realize the first thing people do is relate Pimp=Male and Ho=Female, but this is a greek party theme, remember... If it was the guys dressing as the hoe's (I believe Gigalo is the PC term) and the ladies were dressed as the pimps (i.e. Madame's) is it still disrespectful? Because I gotta tell you, and maybe this would have been better to point out earlier, but everyone goes to this party however they want, and that's what makes it hilarious and fun for all.

Nobody said you had to be one-sided and not creative; that's the whole point of an original party event. All things being equal, everyone can dress however they choose. Not all ho's must dress a specific way, it's open to anyone's interpretation. Break the barriers of stereotypes and just make something wild and fun for everyone.

- RUgreek

[lovelyivy84]

Originally posted by AOX81


There was no attitude. I was just responding to a post.

Check thyself? Who made you all high and mighty?

Anyway, have a great day everyone

All those lovely eye rolls were not necessary. If you want anyone to take your posts seriously you should show the respect you're given.

But obviously I'm wasting my time here.

[AOX81]

Originally posted by lovelyivy84


All those lovely eye rolls were not necessary. If you want anyone to take your posts seriously you should show the respect you're given.

But obviously I'm wasting my time here.

First of all I don't really care if you or anyone disagrees with my opinion.

Second, yes, obviously you are wasting your time here. I'm not here to change your opinion and you are definitely not going to change mine.

"All those lovely eye rolls? I did it once...give me a friggin' break.

Have a nice day

[Dionysus]

Take it outside girls , anyways back on topic......

After reading these additional posts, I am going back to my origional opinion. P&H parties are disrespectful. Ya know, think of someone having a "Master and Slave Party". I think the two are on a similar wavelengths. Some things just aren't necessary imitating.

[thesweetestone]

Originally posted by Dionysus
Take it outside girls , anyways back on topic......

After reading these additional posts, I am going back to my origional opinion. P&H parties are disrespectful. Ya know, think of someone having a "Master and Slave Party". I think the two are on a similar wavelengths. Some things just aren't necessary imitating.

Wrong!! Even if most pimps and ho's were black a p&h party is not disrespectful to blacks. Basically because prostitution is not tradition or a value that black people hold dear to them. A black person might have coined the term but hoes have been around since the beginning of time. From what it sounds like a p&h party is just a 70's party.

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by thesweetestone


Wrong!! Even if most pimps and ho's were black a p&h party is not disrespectful to blacks. Basically because prostitution is not tradition or a value that black people hold dear to them. A black person might have coined the term but hoes have been around since the beginning of time. From what it sounds like a p&h party is just a 70's party.

Huh?

I think you missed my point. I'm not talking about P&H in relation of African Americans. I'm talking about it in relation of oppression and disrespect to women.

The point I am trying to make is that IMO having a P&H party is almost as disrespectful to women, as having a "Master and Slave" parties is disrespectful to blacks. I just used that as an analogy and example. Catch my drift?

Think about the Auburn University incident, last Halloween. Their event was "supposedly" to be a fun thing, according to them, that is.

[thesweetestone]

Still slaves and hoes are very different. No woman is born into prostitution. Prostitution is not nationally legal. Woman have a choice slaves didn't. Women have rights slaves didn't. I don't see a comparion. Sorry.

[zeppo192]

personally, i think this topic is ridiculous.
i'm in a local sorority, so i don't know much about how national chapters & crap like that works, but seriously. it's a party theme. if you don't like it, don't do it. personally, P&H mixers are always fun at my school. Greek life is small here, and isn't spalshed on the front pages of the school newspaper. we don't open our mixers up to random people, and nobody honestly takes the themes seriously. theyre for fun. no need to get all political about it.

[shinerbock]

You're also underestimating how many girls want to be trophy wives. Hell, there is a facebook group of sorority girls called "Why can't I just major in being a housewife?"

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

You're also underestimating how many girls want to be trophy wives. Hell, there is a facebook group of sorority girls called "Why can't I just major in being a housewife?"

There's a difference between common housewives and trophy wives. Trophy wives are meant to be seen and not heard...they sit there and look pretty, and nothing else. Hence the word "trophy." Housewives usually have responsibilities around the home...cooking, cleaning, etc, or if they're rich maybe charity work....but just don't work in the traditional sense.

I'm not being overly political. Girls in college probably don't take the P/H party theme seriously, and I'm not suggesting they should. My issue was with the "trophy wives and millionaires" party because it specified that the men be the millionaires while the women just be arm candy. At least with P/H there's some flexibility to decide which you want to be I prefer party themes that are a little more creative, I guess. Isn't P/H "SO five years ago" anyway?

[James]

Housewives of rich men don't do much housework.

Walk around Manhattan during the day and look around

Edited to add: And lots of trophy wives do charity work, its part of their social scene.

Go to the party dressed in a powersuit and ask which man will be your trophy husband . . there has to be a Kevin Federline in the group.

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

There's a difference between common housewives and trophy wives. Trophy wives are meant to be seen and not heard...they sit there and look pretty, and nothing else. Hence the word "trophy." Housewives usually have responsibilities around the home...cooking, cleaning, etc, or if they're rich maybe charity work....but just don't work in the traditional sense.

I'm not being overly political. Girls in college probably don't take the P/H party theme seriously, and I'm not suggesting they should. My issue was with the "trophy wives and millionaires" party because it specified that the men be the millionaires while the women just be arm candy. At least with P/H there's some flexibility to decide which you want to be I prefer party themes that are a little more creative, I guess. Isn't P/H "SO five years ago" anyway?

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by thesweetestone
Still slaves and hoes are very different. No woman is born into prostitution. Prostitution is not nationally legal. Woman have a choice slaves didn't. Women have rights slaves didn't. I don't see a comparion. Sorry.

What does being born/legalizing/choosing have to do with this?

Some are reading way to deep into this. My above comment was general/blanket comparing.

[nube one]

For those that claim a "pimps and hoes" party is in essence a "70's" party, what culture are the partygoers dressed like? "That 70's show" or "The Mack"? My point is that many African-Americans, including myself, may consider that lampooning a particular population who constantly combat negative and unfair images of themselves daily.

[Shelacious]

Originally posted by phikappapsiman
I have to ask this...

I know that some fraternities have a "Pimps and Ho's" party. Some brothers want to bring it up to my chapter to have one, but I think that is it disrespectful, and kinda racist. Am I overreacting??? I mean, it's just for fun, but it just seems as if that is playing on bad sterotypes. What do others think??? Have we gotten so P.C. on campus that things like the KA's "Old South" party and the ever popular "Screw your Roommate" party are wrong? What do you think?

I don't think P.C. should have to extend to things your chapter/organization has as a tradition: as far as I'm aware, KA's "Old South" event is a long-standing tradition within their Order.

A Pimps and Hos party--I doubt it's listed within your organization's "traditions". It has little to do with political correctness--it has to do with "everything that comes out of your mouth does not make it automatically cool." I say stuff all the time that when I think about it in hindsight, it wasn’t such a great thing to say. Just because someone thought it would be cute to have a Pimps and Hos party doesn't mean therefore that it's "all good" to have one. The name is offensive. A Pimp is a man that sells women for sex, usually on a street corner. Most pimps are at best misogynistic. A ho, in this instance, is a woman who sells her body to men she doesn't know for money. I would daresay guess that most women who are hos hate being hos, and would do anything to get out of the game. One can "titter, titter" about putting on ho-gear and Zoot suits if one wants, but just understand that people have every right to put the chapter on blast for hosting one. Out of all the names for costume parties we can think of (and some folks in this thread had some really cute ones), this one is supposed to be funny?

I’m not even close to being the most PC person, and I know you can't (and I don’t try to) please everybody all the time, but why would one to appear to go out of ones way to offend some folks? So my short answer to the question is: there are lots of other social themes that would have the same result (scantily dressed women/or folks in drag as desired) but not potentially show up on the front page of the college newspaper—find another theme.