Interesting e-mail from a friend

[KABillyMac]

Ok everyone get on the wagon to bash me for the commie and liberal remarks. I was just calling the kettle black. If everyone is entitled to the opinion of the U.S. and Taliban being similar in many ways, I am allowed to make observances to liberals also. True?

[moe.ron]

true

[KABillyMac]

James if the cool vicious comments were going to be directed towards me then by all means, let them fly.

I do not regret not having a passive approach to responding to things that strike my patriotic nerve. Cash registers clanging or not, it boils down to who was gonna step up and say they didnt approve of such crap being debated here. My drive to lunch this afternoon gave me time enough to cool off and think that liberalism is sweeping through society (no greater example of this than the "context" of prime time shows since clinton took office) and it would be near to impossible to argue such issues here.

I'm patriotic. I'm not sorry. I will choose my debating audience more wisely next time. Sometimes its not easy to subdue my passions.

[curiouss]

Originally posted by IowaHawkeye
i am 100% pro American, and that is why i believe so strongly in what our fore fathers faught for iwhen securing our freedom and grating us the first amendment - freedom of speech. if that thread goes for reasons simply that you don't agree with him, or Arya is kicked off for expressing his constitutional right, i will not be a happy camper.

I second that, IH!
I don't agree with a lot of stuff that is posted on GC, but I don't pitch tantrums or give ultimatums. EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE should have the RIGHT to express their thoughts! We may not agree with them, but too bad!

[DeltAlum]

Billy,

Got no problem with your patriotism. The Flag is flying in front of my house as I type this.

I do have a problem with name calling. Since you've never met us personally, know our voting record, morals or ideology, I resent being painted with labels like liberal, democrat, commie, etc.

I'm none of the above.

I'm also not republican, conservative or agnostic.

I'm a child of the 60's, but was not a hippie and never tried acid.

I learn a lot more about issues by listening to well thought out, measured arguments.

I suspect a lot of us feel that way.

I am interested in your opinions -- I just won't be categorized by anyone using sweeping generalizations and trigger words.

I'm glad things are calming down.

DeltAlum

[moe.ron]

In term of social issue, I'm a libetarian, would not care less what you do. Economic issue, I'm more or less a Keynsian tilted toward structuralist. I'm not a marxist nor a pure liberal. BTW, the current economic system is a pure liberal, though it seem my good friend Keynes is comming back because of the Asian Financial Crisis.

Being a commie means one adhere to the Marxian economic view of the world. I actually criticized Marxian outlook as naive and unrealistic because of the current structural order. Although there are some point made by Marxian that I do belief in, such as the dependence theory. However, I believe in the market system. Just like Keyne, I also believe that the market are sometime irrational and need government intervention. That is another conversation.

[KABillyMac]

Commie= generalization as to unpatriotic. Slang. Used comonly during the cold war. I.E. Anyone that wasnt with us was a commie. Communism looks good on paper, doesnt work too well though. Commie seemed to touch off a charge so I guess if a thread like this comes up again I will have to find another trigger word.

Delt, cant deny that you were a child of the 60's. Were you of the make love, not war movement? That generalization was directed towards people that were unsupportive of the countless numbers of men and women who fought and died in Vietnam that fought to stop Communism, when Vietnam was not a powerhouse persay, of the Communist population at the time. Although I myself was born in 76, still as a history buff, it troubles me that some people of this era were unsupportive of our people fighting and giving their lives for democracy, and better yet, the United States. The French started it, we tried to end it. Right or wrong, seems to me that anytime our people are fighting and dying, no matter what the reason, we all should show a little support.

I thought this was all dead but now it still rears its ugly head so I guess I have to stand behind what I said, which I will. My point, without trigger words and cheapshots,(like that email wasnt full of cheapshots) was to stand up for patriotism.

Terrorism to them is an honorable death (i.e. Japanese Kamakazes) to Us it is a cowards way of killing many people.

I still dont like that post. Didnt like the way it started, didnt like the way it ended. Not gonna like it. Debateable? After consideration who am I to say that you cant debate it. Debate away. I even said in my intial response that I couldnt fathom thinking that any thread should be locked. But hey, we have locked em for much more silly and trivial things. Anyone that can deny that please see all the emails that have been locked for someone not doing a search.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am a conservative. Thats me. Closed minded when it comes to things of this manner. Just didnt want our board splattered with a bunch of crap about how the US didnt support this that and the other during such and such a year.

[bucutie02]

Originally posted by KABillyMac
Thanks for dropping by bucutie. This thread got jacked up four pages like two hours ago so your a little late.

Youll close threads when other people request it, why not me? Even though thats not the point anymore. I have you seen you tripping over your own two feet to close threads before so please lets not go there. Frankly, you werent the moderator I was turning to.

I wasnt giving you an ultimatum.

Well, i didnt even see this thread until today because i wasnt able to log on to GC yesterday, thats why my post came so late.

Last time i closed a thread was because the person who started it requested to close it, technically she could have done it herself but didnt know how to. The person who starts a thread has the right to close it if he/she wishes to. Just because you dont like the thread period, doesnt cause for it to be closed. When i posted my post, i didnt see anything wrong with it. Freedom of speech!

Just because you are upset that this thread isnt closed or whatever your problem is, doesnt cause for you to be rude to me and say that I wasnt the moderator you were turning to. Zetace and I have been really busy and havent had time to log onto GC so many times in the day. I talked to her about earlier and she didnt even know about it, so I thought i would post to let everyone know that the thread would remain open.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

I am a self-proclaimed liberal. I have never voted for a republican. I vote nearly a straight-ticket democrat at every election, with the exception of some independents who hop on the ballot.

That said, I support every action taken right now by Bush's administration. We can't continue to try and bargain with these people.

Was WWII not a good enough lesson on the dangers of appeasement?

[bucutie02]

Originally posted by SigmaChiCard
We would probably be fine without the commie remarks, and sarcasm towards liberals

I didnt even mean for it to come out that way. I guess I just choose the wrong word.

[veruca76]

On a much needed lighter note.... The front page of The Onion this week makes fun of the same thing as Arya's post:

http://www.theonion.com/onion3738/pr..._children.html

[ZTAngel]

I don't think this should be about bashing "liberals". I am a democrat. I always vote for the democratic party. But, with this whole disaster, I support the war on terrorism 100%. I think you'll find that many of the liberals feel the same way as me.

[HeidiHo]

I don't know where to start...
This thread looks like a bunch of children arguing over the right way to play a game. When one didn't get his/her way, s/he went to pout on the other side of the room & said "you're not my best friend anymore." When mommy decided to let the kids work out their own problems, she got lip from the children. Sad, seeing that we're all adults here.
If we all stop posting on this thread & post on others, this one will drop off & we won't argue anymore.
Heidi

[DGPhoney]

Originally posted by HeidiHo
I don't know where to start...
This thread looks like a bunch of children arguing over the right way to play a game. When one didn't get his/her way, s/he went to pout on the other side of the room & said "you're not my best friend anymore." When mommy decided to let the kids work out their own problems, she got lip from the children. Sad, seeing that we're all adults here.
If we all stop posting on this thread & post on others, this one will drop off & we won't argue anymore.
Heidi

I have to agree here with HeidiHo, I took the time to read each and everyone's post. Although, I don't agree with a good deal of you, thats my opinion vs your opinion and I am not about to take that away from any of you, cause we are all entitled to our own opinions, although it seems many of you have forgotten that!
As for the thread being closed... Why? If you can't handle the heat then stay out of the kitchen. Just because people are actualy voicing their opinions and catching a little attitude. why wouldn't they. Theres name calling, it's politics and the Spetember 11th and the solutions are a touchy subject. So if you can't battle with the rest of them , simply move on.
Back to the subject at hand. James had some valid points in his post. Obviously the US will do what they feel is best for the safety of the nation and to produce the means of Justice in the attack of September 11th.
As for somone stating something about the military, yes the US military has the best of the best technology and equipment. They use it to do what they have to do. They fight because they have to, because it's there job.They don't choose to fight.They personally don't wake up and say hey you know what I feel like bombing a small country. They do what they have to , to protect and serve their country and it's people.Just like anyone else's military.
Kabillymac, I understand where you are coming from, you obviously feel very strong about the matter and who wouldn't. Our freedom was questioned, our theories challenged . I agree with what you had to say as well. Yes as an American I am all for patriotism.But you all have to realize just cause we are American , not every American is going to jump on the I agree 100% with the US on how things are being carryed out . All we can ask for really, is that hate stops and that all of this is put to an end!
So maybe we can move past this. As a person, a greek, a moderator, a female, a sister, a friend I respect you all and your views and opinions no matter what is said~
DGPhoney~