Obama has won a Nobel - Page 5

chickenoodle · #1 10-09-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by crescent&pearls

I think he should invest the prize money in an urban co-op farm and give peas a chance.

I'm sorry. It's Friday.

DaemonSeid · #2 10-09-2009, 02:09 PM

There is a delete button...you don't have to read it!

*snickers*

keep dancing!

Kevin · #3 10-09-2009, 03:24 PM

It's good that the world's view of our President is positive. Hopefully that translates into something. Obama has done a lot in changing the tone of our foreign policy. Hopefully that translates into something good down the line.

Like it or not, the mere attitude of the President of the United States can do wonders to affect the rest of the world and it has. Kudos to the President.

DaemonSeid · #4 10-09-2009, 08:58 PM

Oh...I'm sorry. African American...my bad.

*snicker*

agzg · #5 10-09-2009, 09:26 PM

Oh good lord.

For what it's worth, I still don't get it and I probably never will. Of course, I don't "get" most of the winners of the Nobel Peace Prize.

I could use the money though.

Little32 · #6 10-09-2009, 09:56 PM

^^I am not just talking about what is happening on this site, and people on this board are using phrasing that is much harsher than what you wrote.

KSigkid · #7 10-09-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Little32

^^I am not just talking about what is happening on this site, and people on this board are using phrasing that is much harsher than what you wrote.

That's a different story then - although I try not to pay attention to the garbage people write on most newspaper and media message boards. The moderation on those sites is nonexistent, so some awful stuff filters through.

DaemonSeid · #8 10-09-2009, 09:58 PM

Ksig...go back and read some of the responses here and even in the media.

There are those that believe abundantly that he is much less deserving than others who were nominated.

I mean that's why people are confused by the win in the first place!

agzg · #9 10-09-2009, 10:05 PM

I just saw a snippet of the press conference.

Obama himself said he didn't deserve it. Although, that could just be him being humble.

But... I still don't get it.

Also, I do not prescribe to the idea that we should stop speaking on it because we weren't part of the Nobel committee. Opinions are like assholes - everyone has one. Imagine the world if we didn't.

Psi U MC Vito · #10 10-10-2009, 01:01 AM

Actually, I agree with KSig RC. Some of the past winners have been very questionable, like Arafat and Kissinger.

Psi U MC Vito · #11 10-10-2009, 11:25 AM

DI2 in all seriousness, why did he do to deserve it. You keep getting on us for saying we don't feel he deserves it, but all you say was we are not on the committee who chose him. That is true, but we are still entitled to our opinions. None of us are saying he will never deserve it, but we feel that he has done nothing as of yet to be considered "the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

deepimpact2 · #12 10-10-2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

DI2 in all seriousness, why did he do to deserve it. You keep getting on us for saying we don't feel he deserves it, but all you say was we are not on the committee who chose him. That is true, but we are still entitled to our opinions. None of us are saying he will never deserve it, but we feel that he has done nothing as of yet to be considered "the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

Simply saying that this doesn't appear to have been given based on the typical selection criteria is one thing. Saying he just flat out doesn't deserve it is another. The latter is judgmental and presumptuous. Furthermore, if you are aware of WHY they gave him the award, then what is the problem? I think it has been made quite clear that he received it in essence because of EXPECTATIONS in the FUTURE. If that is the case, it is too early to say he doesn't deserve it because he hasn't had time to live up to those expectations. There's just too much eagerness surrounding his presidency. eagerness to see him operate as superman and transform the country and fix all problems in less than a year OR eagerness to say he is a bad president when he has been in office less than a year.

I think some people are overly critical of this because they feel he is getting too many accolades simply by being elected as the first black president of the United States.

Psi U MC Vito · #13 10-10-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Simply saying that this doesn't appear to have been given based on the typical selection criteria is one thing. Saying he just flat out doesn't deserve it is another. The latter is judgmental and presumptuous. Furthermore, if you are aware of WHY they gave him the award, then what is the problem? I think it has been made quite clear that he received it in essence because of EXPECTATIONS in the FUTURE. If that is the case, it is too early to say he doesn't deserve it because he hasn't had time to live up to those expectations. There's just too much eagerness surrounding his presidency. eagerness to see him operate as superman and transform the country and fix all problems in less than a year OR eagerness to say he is a bad president when he has been in office less than a year.

I think some people are overly critical of this because they feel he is getting too many accolades simply by being elected as the first black president of the United States.

Yes and that's why a lot of us are against this. He talks the good talk and that was enough for him to get what is considered one of the most prestigious award in the world. Nobody here is saying we expect him to work miracles in less then a year, or that he is a bad president because he hasn't fixed some pretty major problems. The point is he hasn't as of yet lived up to his promises, yet by saying he will he gets the Peace Prize? That's our issue.

deepimpact2 · #14 10-10-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Yes and that's why a lot of us are against this. He talks the good talk and that was enough for him to get what is considered one of the most prestigious award in the world. Nobody here is saying we expect him to work miracles in less then a year, or that he is a bad president because he hasn't fixed some pretty major problems. The point is he hasn't as of yet lived up to his promises, yet by saying he will he gets the Peace Prize? That's our issue.

What I guess I don't understand is why you feel you need to make it an issue. This is one of those things that is left up to the discretion of the committee. If they wish to break with their own tradition, they are well within their right to do so. They don't really have to answer to the general public.

epchick · #15 10-10-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I think it has been made quite clear that he received it in essence because of EXPECTATIONS in the FUTURE.

And that is EXACTLY why some of us (like myself) feel he doesn't deserve it........yet. If he fulfills all these expectations, then sure go ahead and give him the prize. But why should he get it now, when he hasn't fulfilled them yet? The Nobel Prize hasn't (at least from my understanding) been given out to just expectations, they've been given out to actions. He hasn't completed anything yet, he hasn't SHOWN anything yet (except that he apparently loves to talk). That isn't Nobel Prize worthy.