Private Pool Bans Minority Campers

[shultzz]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This sidenote says a lot. Perception and reality are shaped by a number of things, including age and life experience. I was upset when I had my experience in elementary school. But, I don't know how I would have felt if I had outraged adults guiding my thoughts, actions, and interpreting the incident for me. Perhaps I would've been scared and way more upset than I should've been based on the incident alone.

That added social-psychological affect is essentially what Kevin and I are talking about. The kids couldn't be shielded from the incident and how it made them feel (those of them who genuinely feel something). The rest is up to the adults around them.

Shield the kids??? These kids don't need shielding. They grow-up with hookers, drug dealers and murderers.

The real question is who destroyed the FREE public pools in their neighborhoods? If you have a free pool in your hood and you destroy it why should a private club give you access?

The parents of these criminals should get off their lazy asses and fix the graffitti covered free pool. Then they should get a tow truck to remove the stolen cars that sitting in the middle of the free pool and hire a plumber to replace the the copper that was stolen by the local crackheads.


Madmax (I guess I was banned)

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by shultzz

Shield the kids??? These kids don't need shielding. They grow-up with hookers, drug dealers and murderers.

The real question is who destroyed the FREE public pools in their neighborhoods? If you have a free pool in your hood and you destroy it why should a private club give you access?

The parents of these criminals should get off their lazy asses and fix the graffitti covered free pool. Then they should get a tow truck to remove the stolen cars that sitting in the middle of the free pool and hire a plumber to replace the the copper that was stolen by the local crackheads.


Madmax (I guess I was banned)

Wow, I thought Madmax and Shultzz were the same person...I'm giving myself a pat on the back for that one.

ETA: You probably got this user name banned as well with this post.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Little32

To be very honest, not everyone is lucky enough to have those tools.

True and, as far as I am concerned, that supports the notion that what happens after this incident has the potential to harm those kids even greater than the actual incident. This is why the parents should put a lock on this situation as much as possible.

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Regarding the update of the club allowing them to swim:
Would you let your kid swim at the pool now? What would that decision be based on?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Wow, I thought Madmax and Shultzz were the same person...I'm giving myself a pat on the back for that one.

ETA: You probably got this user name banned as well with this post.

Why was madmax banned?

[Elephant Walk]

While I completely disagree with the racism on all fronts:

I hope the pool's decision is not struck down by the courts. It is a private institution that receives no tax dollars. It should "theoretically" be able to serve whoever it wants. The consumer (both white and black) can act in response to this. But it is a private institution and the government should not be able to have any say in whom it serves. Whether that will happen or not is another case. (And it won't.)

[Little32]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

True and, as far as I am concerned, that supports the notion that what happens after this incident has the potential to harm those kids even greater than the actual incident. This is why the parents should put a lock on this situation as much as possible.

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Regarding the update of the club allowing them to swim:
Would you let your kid swim at the pool now? What would that decision be based on?

To the bolded: I was talking about the parents too, unfortunately.

To your question, which is an interesting one, I probably would prefer that they not just because, as noted before, there were people at the pool that day who were, reportedly, making comments and taking actions based on race. As a parent, I would want to shield my children from that sort of bigotry

On the other hand, that might ensure that the incident would continue to be given "more weight than it deserves," to cite Morrison again, in terms of the impact that it would have on my children's overall development. So I would probably do what my mom did when I first went to her with my story, equip them with the tools to make sense of it (and my mama's tools were filled with sass ), and send them back out into the world.

What about you?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Little32

To the bolded: I was talking about the parents too, unfortunately.

Yes, just as I thought, you don't really disagree with Kevin and me. Just typing past each other and splitting hairs.

Originally Posted by Little32

To your question, which is an interesting one, I probably would prefer that they not just because, as noted before, there were people at the pool that day who were, reportedly, making comments and taking actions based on race. As a parent, I would want to shield my children from that sort of bigotry

On the other hand, that might ensure that the incident would continue to be given "more weight than it deserves," to cite Morrison again, in terms of the impact that it would have on my children's overall development. So I would probably do what my mom did when I first went to her with my story, equip them with the tools to make sense of it (and my mama's tools were filled with sass ), and send them back out into the world.

What about you?

I am back and forth with this.

I think I would let my kid go back on a trial basis. I would tell my child to be observant but not paranoid. Have fun and be respectful towards others. I would ask my child to report any race-based (not just kids being kids) comments or mistreatment to a camp supervisor. If I could, I would go with my kid.

Part of me would not let my kid go, however, integration often happens like this. People hesitate to be around "others" unless forced to do so. Then people get used to it and realize that these kids aren't coming to change the tone of the pool area or anything of the sort. Now, if the club notices changes to their club that are a matter of lack of hometraining or something to that effect, THEN the club can speak with the camp counselors, not about race and their scared club members, but about making sure the kids stick to the "rule of the pool."

[Little32]

See, this was a discussion worth having. I thought about some things in a way that I had not thought about them before, anyway.

[DrPhil]

Once people got beyond the shock and the horror of it all.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Why was madmax banned?

Apparently he/she didn't - I looked at the other thread and he/she still showed up as a registered user. Perhaps he/she forgot their password?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

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Regarding the update of the club allowing them to swim:
Would you let your kid swim at the pool now? What would that decision be based on?

Nope.

Like letting them swim there now after the fact makes up for it.

"Oh our bad, we hated on you and got called out on it...come on in and swim."

It's not so much to shield my child from the behaviors but sometimes, to continue to patronize such an establishment could easily set up bad things in the future. If you don't want my business, there are other places to swim, eat and go to school.

ETA: Anyone notice that Bruh Al hasn't reared his woolly head yet? Maybe he is still hanging with the Jacksons.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Nope.

Like letting them swim there now after the fact makes up for it.

"Oh our bad, we hated on you and got called out on it...come on in and swim."

It's not so much to shield my child from the behaviors but sometimes, to continue to patronize such an establishment could easily set up bad things in the future. If you don't want my business, there are other places to swim, eat and go to school.

Yeah, but the choice of to patronize or not doesn't seem to be in the hands of the parents at this point. That raises a different set of issues, because if it is my money going to it then no. I agree. I am not going to spend my money in a place that has demonstrated that it does not want my business. (I am reminded of that episode of a Different World, where Whitley spends more than she should at the jewelry store because of a racist sales clerk.)

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Little32

Yeah, but the choice of to patronize or not doesn't seem to be in the hands of the parents at this point. That raises a different set of issues, because if it is my money going to it then no. I agree. I am not going to spend my money in a place that has demonstrated that it does not want my business. (I am reminded of that episode of a Different World, where Whitley spends more than she should at the jewelry store because of a racist sales clerk.)

Why isn't it in the hands of the parents?

They pay the camp to do activities with their kids. They can easily tell the camp to not take their kids to that pool...conversely speaking, if these are pro active parents, they can (and should be able to) go along and supervise what's going on at the pool.

[Little32]

I guess just based on what I have read, it seems like the camp is making the decisions. But I would have to know more about the camp to really say.

I think the parents going along with the kids is a good idea, though. If the group chooses to return to the club.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

ETA: Anyone notice that Bruh Al hasn't reared his woolly head yet? Maybe he is still hanging with the Jacksons.

Hanging with the Jacksons and chillin' with O'Reilly.

He's someone who I want to sit this one out. I don't dislike him, however, his presence would pump this up too much.