Woman gives birth to eight babies

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Wait...i almost spit my water out at this:

Suleman, though, has hired an agent, Kauffman says, and there are reports she hopes to make money through TV interviews and even by working as an on-camera childcare expert.


WWWWWooooooowwwwww!!!

Besides her litter(s) of children, she is probably saying she has the education for it too, this is from an article posted earlier about the grandma saying she's hitting the bricks supposedly when she gets home:

Nadya Suleman holds a 2006 degree in child and adolescent development from California State University, Fullerton, and as late as last spring she was studying for a master's degree in counseling, college spokeswoman Paula Selleck told the Press-Telegram.

[agzg]

I wouldn't say this lady is a childcare expert - I'd say she's a birthing expert.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

I wouldn't say this lady is a childcare expert - I'd say she's a birthing expert.

Can we say that she is cheating considering that she is circumventing the penis?

[nittanyalum]

I get the anger and distaste about her appearing to want to "cash in" in a sense now after this birth (though most others before her have done just that -- the only other family to have live octuplets were GIVEN a HOUSE -- remember that?).

Where I get a little uncomfortable is getting into the argument about whether she "can" or "should" have the children. If I support a woman's choice not to have a child she doesn't want, how can I not support a woman's choice who does want to have children?

I'm not saying I'd support someone who was having kids to sell them off or who gave them up for adoption or who got pregnant repeatedly just to have abortions. But this is a woman who has a college degree, already has 6 children including a set of multiples, and by all reports, those children are happy and healthy. So who would have the right to tell this woman she "can't" have more children? The fact that every embryo "took", or that the several embryos implanted may have multiplied (which I read in another article), was unexpected and yes, a risk she took. But she chose to keep what she thought at the time were her seven children. Can't that also be argued that she took responsibility for the decisions she made? She's always wanted kids, she took steps to make sure she could have kids, she likes having kids, she's raised 6 kids successfully so far --- will 8 possibly drive her insane? Sure, who knows, but people who have never had kids do it with six right off the bat, at least she has some older kids already that can help and it won't all be brand new to her.

I guess I'm just a little taken aback at the extreme outrage some people are showing and I'm not sure why it's all our business in the first place. Didn't the media initially break this story? I don't remember hearing about her trying to get press or anything when she was pregnant with 7 and already had 6 at home. Unless a woman has a history of abuse or is cheating the social services system or something, to me, this boils down to another variation of supporting a woman's choice, IMO. I wish her and ALL those kids the best. It exhausts me just to think about it.

[KSUViolet06]

I am not outraged but I am fascinated by the reaction that she's getting.

It is VASTLY different than the reactions that other multiple families have gotten.

I mean, people have bent over backwards to donate stuff and help out families of multiples (whom all consist of two parents).

I would THINK that people would be EXTRA willing and eager to help her/donate stuff/etc because she is single, but that clearly doesn't seem to be the case here.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

I get the anger and distaste about her appearing to want to "cash in" in a sense now after this birth (though most others before her have done just that -- the only other family to have live octuplets were GIVEN a HOUSE -- remember that?).

Where I get a little uncomfortable is getting into the argument about whether she "can" or "should" have the children. If I support a woman's choice not to have a child she doesn't want, how can I not support a woman's choice who does want to have children?

I'm not saying I'd support someone who was having kids to sell them off or who gave them up for adoption or who got pregnant repeatedly just to have abortions. But this is a woman who has a college degree, already has 6 children including a set of multiples, and by all reports, those children are happy and healthy. So who would have the right to tell this woman she "can't" have more children? The fact that every embryo "took", or that the several embryos implanted may have multiplied (which I read in another article), was unexpected and yes, a risk she took. But she chose to keep what she thought at the time were her seven children. Can't that also be argued that she took responsibility for the decisions she made? She's always wanted kids, she took steps to make sure she could have kids, she likes having kids, she's raised 6 kids successfully so far --- will 8 possibly drive her insane? Sure, who knows, but people who have never had kids do it with six right off the bat, at least she has some older kids already that can help and it won't all be brand new to her.

I guess I'm just a little taken aback at the extreme outrage some people are showing and I'm not sure why it's all our business in the first place. Didn't the media initially break this story? I don't remember hearing about her trying to get press or anything when she was pregnant with 7 and already had 6 at home. Unless a woman has a history of abuse or is cheating the social services system or something, to me, this boils down to another variation of supporting a woman's choice, IMO. I wish her and ALL those kids the best. It exhausts me just to think about it.

I don't think if whether she can or should have the children, it's the question of her mental state and the ability of whther or not she by herself can raise them all...this very easily can turn into a Susan Smith or Andrea Yates type situation. Post partum depression? Possible.

It's as some have already said. Some have already stated that even with a job and spouse to help with it all it's a bit of a struggle to raise just one or two. So why on God's green earth would you spend the money that she had with no stability whatsoever that we know of to have enough kids to supply a basketball team including a deep bench? Plus let's add that she is still in her 30's, so who it to stop her from having even more?

Yes, there are no stories of abuse...yet, because we know so little about her but it's just stunning how much MORE info gets dropped almost daily and we, the public just wonder how deep this rabbit hole is going. No abuse but child endangerment? Yeah...possible....she is just one...who is to say while she is bathing one (or 2) something doesn't happen to one of the other dozen? This is not to wish anything bad upon her, but it's just unfathomable to see Mother Hubbard successfully raising these kids. Furthermore, as I asked earlier, how does she plan on earning an income? Heck even if she got a 2 million dollar deal from any network foolish enough to give her a deal, that HAS to get swallowed up by child care and doctor bills.


Not to mention, what kind of example is this setting for her kids as they get older?

So many questions....soooooo many questions.


I'm getting exhausted too trying to figure this out.

Bottom line is, when you can barely take care of yourself, why would you deliberately dig a hole like this?

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

She'd be cheating if she was an expert at getting pregnant.

However, I've never seen or heard of a penis having anything to do with pushing a baby out of a woman's body.

Actually - once. That man who was pregnant in Hawaii.

So wrong...LOL

And she doesn't count...that was NOT a man....heh

...and if I remember correctly...she hasn't had her penis built...yet

[nikki1920]

It's our business b/c her story was publicized. I just find it very selfish, and I am a single mom, that she keeps having children and doesn't seem to be able to care for all of them. She has 14 kids under the age of 7. And I am all about a woman's choice as well. Hell, I always wanted kids, I want more, but I would not go about having 8 children with no husband/partner, no income and no plan. It seems unfair to me that she's put all this pressure on her parents to help her with her children. In my opinion, she just didn't think it all the way through.

[agzg]

I think the question running through a lot of peoples' minds is why would she seek out more children (even only one) if her financial situation isn't stable and there's no partner to help her out.

I mean, parents' help is great, I'm all for it - but there's nothing like having a life partner to take on some of the stress of even one baby.

I give single moms a lot of props for being able to do what they do, especially by themselves. But most single mothers don't choose to be a mother of 14 - or even 7, which is what she'd have had the babies not been multiples. So I can understand the negative reaction.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

I mean, parents' help is great, I'm all for it - but there's nothing like having a life partner to take on some of the stress of even one baby.

I give single moms a lot of props for being able to do what they do, especially by themselves. But most single mothers don't choose to be a mother of 14 - or even 7, which is what she'd have had the babies not been multiples. So I can understand the negative reaction.

I get this. I mean, I know some single moms and I am 100% sure that they didn't CHOOSE it. It is hard for me to understand how someone would choose to bear the burden of taking care of that many kids.

[agzg]

This is going to sound awful but it's not even like she's the village bicycle, you know? She's not trying to sleep with a bunch of guys, she's trying to get pregnant. Every time!

It's such a vastly different case, too. She's not like the Duggars - it's obvious they're trying to build their own army or start their own nation or something.

She's not like John & Kate who had the resources for "just one more child."

WHY?!? Why would a single mom want 7 kids?

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

It's such a vastly different case, too. She's not like the Duggars - it's obvious they're trying to build their own army or start their own nation or something.

Yeah, they're not like the Duggars at all...I feel like a lot of people have been making that comparison when it's not fair to either party. After all, Jim-Bob and Michelle have been pretty freaking self-sufficient; they built a home for 18 kids debt-free, while this band of freaks can't even keep a 2-bedroom house from foreclosure!

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Yeah, they're not like the Duggars at all...I feel like a lot of people have been making that comparison when it's not fair to either party. After all, Jim-Bob and Michelle have been pretty freaking self-sufficient; they built a home for 18 kids debt-free, while this band of freaks can't even keep a 2-bedroom house from foreclosure!

True. They may have 19 kids, but they also don't rely on our government for anything. Their kids don't even attend public schools.

[nikki1920]

That's my point exactly.

It's her choice, but I (as a tax payer) would not want to have to pay for her choice.

I mean: FOURTEEN children UNDER 7?? FOURTEEN??!!!

[agzg]

She'd be cheating if she was an expert at getting pregnant.

However, I've never seen or heard of a penis having anything to do with pushing a baby out of a woman's body.

Actually - once. That man who was pregnant in Hawaii.

[agzg]

What's going to happen with her autistic child? Has that been confirmed that she does indeed have one autistic child?

My SIL is a Special Ed teacher, and while she was doing student teaching she worked at a school for autistic children. She said it was exhausting. I just have to wonder, how's that kid gonna develop to his or her fullest when mommy has 13 other kids to take care of?

How are the other children going to be alright when mommy has to turn all of her attention to the one with developmental disabilities?

It just doesn't seem fair to any of the kids, really.