McCain's Black Relatives

[Phrozen1ne]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

African slavery was just as bad as American slavery in a lot of cases if you actually do the research, its just convenient to say that it wasn't barbaric.
There were black slave owners in America too.

Again,.... we know.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

African slavery was just as bad as American slavery in a lot of cases if you actually do the research, its just convenient to say that it wasn't barbaric.
There were black slave owners in America too.

I really wish some of you could understand how silly and simple some of you sound trying to debate this point...

"Well some black people owned slaves too..."

"But a small percent of white people owned slaves"

"We are sorry about making you all slaves...but dont sue us."

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by Phrozen1ne

Whoa-
O.k. who the hell said someone owed them anything? I don't look for handouts. Since you want to take it there, how about SOME, not all in this country, like to sweep slavery under the rug like it is something that happened one day and ended the next. I would never compare the enslavement of African Americans to the Holocaust. One doesn't trump the other.

"them" = the other races and nationalities and religions. I never said ALL. If I meant ALL, I would have said ALL. And yes, there are some African Americans who do believe that "we" owe them something. I never said anyone specifically on this board. You would never compare it to the Holocaust, but there are people who would and have.

Originally Posted by XSK_Diamond

You are so wrong on so many levels for writing this... stuff.

Nobody HERE said anything about being owed anything, first of all. Secondly, just because SOME black Americans call for reparations, and other things, doesn't mean that we ALL do! We are not the doggone Borg! We do not share a collective conscious and we do not all do ANYTHING alike.

And, for the record, YES these other ethnic groups DO speak up loudly when they feel they are being disrespected. A prime example is I never see/hear/read anyone saying the same thing about the Anti-Defamation League, or other Jewish groups, when they get their britches in a knot about something.

Freudian slips really aren't slips.

What Freudian slip?

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Huh? The article, that was in this month's Marie Claire, was actually about how the relationship couldn't last because of the tension.

I was just happy that someone brought up other events where people were brutalized (I think I just made that word up) because of what they are. Some (note SOME)* people sweep those events under the rug.

I don't think anyone (ok maybe the KKK and whitepower jackasses) has or will ever forget that slavery existed.

*I said some.

[Phrozen1ne]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I really wish some of you could understand how silly and simple some of you sound trying to debate this point...

"Well some black people owned slaves too..."

"But a small percent of white people owned slaves"

"We are sorry about making you all slaves...but dont sue us."

Apparently we all want a big fat reparation check too! Ignorance is catching.

[PM_Mama00]

http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showth...ght=acres+mule

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Phrozen1ne

Apparently we all want a big fat reparation check too! Ignorance is catching.

yeah...I want my 40 acres and mule....heh

http://www.africawithin.com/karenga/ethics.htm

[XSK_Diamond]

*sigh* You're doing exactly what I said. Thanks for making my point.

The few instances you could name does not negate that the NORM of West African slavery (and we are only talking about W. African slavery) was nothing like the NORM of American chattel slavery. As a matter of fact, West Indian slavery was much more brutal than American chattel slavery and some of the barbarism that U.S. slavery got came from there. But, that still does not negate that the norm of W. African slavery was nothing like the norm of American slavery. It was a totally different system, altogether, actually.

And, thanks for not being too condescending to me ... but I have done the research, thanks. Have you done thorough research and not just read the things that would support the position you already held?

Yes, there were a FEW black slave owners in America, too. There have always been blacks that didn't identify with other blacks. So what?

Originally Posted by PhiGam

African slavery was just as bad as American slavery in a lot of cases if you actually do the research, its just convenient to say that it wasn't barbaric.
There were black slave owners in America too.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by XSK_Diamond

*sigh* You're doing exactly what I said. Thanks for making my point.

The few instances you could name does not negate that the NORM of West African slavery (and we are only talking about W. African slavery) was nothing like the NORM of American chattel slavery. As a matter of fact, West Indian slavery was much more brutal than American chattel slavery and some of the barbarism that U.S. slavery got came from there. But, that still does not negate that the norm of W. African slavery was nothing like the norm of American slavery. It was a totally different system, altogether, actually.

And, thanks for not being too condescending to me ... but I have done the research, thanks. Have you done thorough research and not just read the things that would support the position you already held?

Yes, there were a FEW black slave owners in America, too. There have always been blacks that didn't identify with other blacks. So what?

I guess we don't know better....

[Phrozen1ne]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showth...ght=acres+mule

Ignorance is catching.

[XSK_Diamond]

Of course we don't.

We're supposed to know more about other people's history than our own. It's funny. I don't go around telling white people how to be white. More specifically, I would never presume to tell an ethic white person what they don't know about their own history. Now, doesn't that just sound crazy?

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I guess we don't know better....

[CrackerBarrel]

No one is trying to tell you a goddamn thing about your history. No one was arguing anything even remotely related to you two moron's point until you decided to "rebut" every argument with it.

Talking about black africans selling to slave ships =/= saying slavery was ok because africans had slaves too. But it is a wonderful strawman argument if you can't win on a topical point. That being said, at least in my understanding of it, that isn't where this argument came from either.

I think when people in this thread said that Obama's ancestors probably owned slaves too, they were referring to the fact that ALL OF HIS FAMILY IN AMERICA IS/WAS WHITE. But of course that isn't as easy to argue against, so proceed with your foolish misplaced outrage.

[preciousjeni]

GC didn't send me any thread updates so I didn't even see this entire discussion. I don't believe the issue that the folks in the articles had was that there was slave-ownership, but rather that John McCain hasn't acknowledged these members of his extended family.

I think it would be very interesting for McCain to reach out to these relatives. Perhaps he could change their minds about him and his policies. Where better to start than with your own family?

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

I think when people in this thread said that Obama's ancestors probably owned slaves too, they were referring to the fact that ALL OF HIS FAMILY IN AMERICA IS/WAS WHITE.

Was it just a rumor or was it ever confirmed that Obama's mother's family in fact owned slaves?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

No one is trying to tell you a goddamn thing about your history. No one was arguing anything even remotely related to you two moron's point until you decided to "rebut" every argument with it.

Talking about black africans selling to slave ships =/= saying slavery was ok because africans had slaves too. But it is a wonderful strawman argument if you can't win on a topical point. That being said, at least in my understanding of it, that isn't where this argument came from either.

I think when people in this thread said that Obama's ancestors probably owned slaves too, they were referring to the fact that ALL OF HIS FAMILY IN AMERICA IS/WAS WHITE. But of course that isn't as easy to argue against, so proceed with your foolish misplaced outrage.

guys...we are 'foolish' and 'morons'...we are so done here....heh

Gee...thank you for setting us straight Mistah Cracker.

[Phrozen1ne]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

No one is trying to tell you a goddamn thing about your history. No one was arguing anything even remotely related to you two moron's point until you decided to "rebut" every argument with it.

Talking about black africans selling to slave ships =/= saying slavery was ok because africans had slaves too. But it is a wonderful strawman argument if you can't win on a topical point. That being said, at least in my understanding of it, that isn't where this argument came from either.

I think when people in this thread said that Obama's ancestors probably owned slaves too, they were referring to the fact that ALL OF HIS FAMILY IN AMERICA IS/WAS WHITE. But of course that isn't as easy to argue against, so proceed with your foolish misplaced outrage.

No one is trying to win an argument and you're the only moron here. Comment on what you know about from now on. Thanks.