UF Pike banned?

[The1calledTKE]

Originally posted by justamom
[B]The TKE guy maybe should be contacted and asked to clean up his act or prepare for banishment.

I sent him a PM about it all.

Originally posted by justamom
[B]
Wil I be banned if say I don't believe a "John" really exists???

No you won't be banned
John is real though he does speak just do a search on him.

[The1calledTKE]

Originally posted by DGjenniJ99
Ultimately it is up to this guy John, but if the rules do not apply to everyone and certain graces are given to those higher on the social latter of GC, it only shows non-greeks that they are right when it comes to greeks not being fair/justly.

I wouldn't say there is a social latter here. As for John its never been determined if he is even in GLO. All we know is he works for scholarstuff to run the site. John is a very impartal person.

[PM_Mama00]

Ok. The more I read around, the more pissed I'm gettin.

I was accused of "stirring trouble". No. I'm stating my opinions just like every GCer usually does. If I have said things to offend someone, I'm sorry.

I said stupid stuff in my prejudism thread, and had some people jumping down my throat. Were they fighting to get me banned because of the horrible, dumb stuff I said? No. People said stuff back to me that really offended me, but did I try to get them banned? No.

I've read the Greek homosexuals thread on Greek Life. I am soooo offended by what that TKE guy and UNF keep posting. I have not tried to get them banned, and I am more offended by what they say than what Craig had said.

Someone posted a thread about Delta Zeta's "secrets". Although it was a bunch of BS, was that person banned? Why was the person registered under PhiMuSecrets allowed to register?

Why can the mods say things to offend someone? Do they get reprimanded? Or has one ever gotten taken down from their job as moderator? I've been offended by a moderator before, and even started a thread asking if anyone else has (my early GC days). I didn't get banned, or even a warning.

People were out to get UF_Pike. He was stating opinions like everyone else. And if he offended u and u let him know in a mature manner, he PM'd u and apologized. That is why I have forgiven him. I know I'm gona get flamed by the mods. You guys have all given good points on why he was banned, and I agree with the rules. BUT what I don't agree on is why hasn't the rest of the GC population been banned or warned?

[33girl]

Originally posted by PM_Mama00

Someone posted a thread about Delta Zeta's "secrets". Although it was a bunch of BS, was that person banned? Why was the person registered under PhiMuSecrets allowed to register?

The person posting the DZ "secrets" was banned very quickly. As for why was a person named PhiMuSecrets allowed to register...the naming function doesn't know the name means anything. Someone could register as Jesus Christ and it wouldn't pick it up.

[douthit]

A lot of what I'm going to post has been said already, but hopefully I can put a different spin on it than what has been previously stated. I feel that banning UF_Pike was a bit of an overkill, although I can understanding the underlying reasons for doing so. The reason that I don't think he should be banned is that I think it comes down to a lack of judgement on his part.

Many of the things that he said in his posts are things that a lot of men have either said or felt in the past, including myself. He made a mistake by posting such statements on a very public board such as Greekchat. I thought that quite a few of his posts were amusing, as long as I took them for a grain of salt.

Anyway, that is my two cents, and I agree with other posters that there are individuals that are more deserving of a ban than UF_Pike was.

[dzrose93]

Originally posted by ZTAngel


See, now that I'm offended by. It is not the same AT ALL. I would never even connect the two in any way. Yes, women have suffered and died at the hands at men but never have they seen a massacre as great as the one Hitler did to the Jews 50 years ago. To correlate the two is absolutely absurd.

Sorry that you were offended, ZTAngel and Honeykiss. All I'm saying is that I find it very strange that some GC women are sticking up for someone who, on GC, has made it clear that he feels women are valuable only if they look good -- if they are sex symbols -- and that their opinions don't count unless they have a pretty face. I find that just as odd as I would to hear a Jewish person saying that Hitler wasn't all bad. I certainly wasn't trying to say that UF_Pike is the modern-day version of Hitler for women. It was a comparison, not an equation. For the record, part of my immediate family is Jewish. I'm highly aware that the Holocaust is vastly different than the struggle for women's equality. If you like, then use this example instead... Women sticking up for UF_Pike on GC is as odd to me as members of my church sticking up for Marilyn Manson.

Lets put it this way. I don't think us females who have said the ban was wrong are sticking up for him and saying what he said was true and was right. I think our point as many have stated is that the kid was out for shock-value and thats all it should have been taken as. He needed some attention possibly and GC definately gave it to him. Moreover, there have definately been worst things said on this board than that. Its the internet, I know a lot of people are more sensitive than others, but except when it gets really personal (i.e its directed towards you specifically), most of us just took what he said with a grain of salt and left it for that. There have been many times when I was personally attacked kind of viciously, but never asked anyone to be banned. Yeah it annoyed me, but believe me I got over it in about 3 secs.

So maybe this should happen. Maybe there should be an Important thread (like the 9/11 one) for awhile at the top of each forum stating the rules of GC just to remind everyone of what they are and what is expected. From then on everyone starts with a clean slate. You get warned 3 times, then your gone. And this should go for everyone, whether you have guest, member, junior, senior or moderator status. Its just an idea? This thread is kinda going to the too far level and like many other threads people are going to start throwing out offenses.

[ROWDYsister]

Originally posted by justamom
[B]Wil I be banned if say I don't believe a "John" really exists???

Ahh...some comic relief...it's like wondering about the Wizard of Oz...the man behind the curtain...

Anyway, I know UF_Pike will not come back to this board with the same name, but if anything this thread is helping us understand how GC works...

[librasoul22]

Originally posted by dzrose93


Sorry that you were offended, ZTAngel and Honeykiss. All I'm saying is that I find it very strange that some GC women are sticking up for someone who, on GC, has made it clear that he feels women are valuable only if they look good -- if they are sex symbols -- and that their opinions don't count unless they have a pretty face. I find that just as odd as I would to hear a Jewish person saying that Hitler wasn't all bad. I certainly wasn't trying to say that UF_Pike is the modern-day version of Hitler for women. It was a comparison, not an equation. For the record, part of my immediate family is Jewish. I'm highly aware that the Holocaust is vastly different than the struggle for women's equality. If you like, then use this example instead... Women sticking up for UF_Pike on GC is as odd to me as members of my church sticking up for Marilyn Manson.

You are taking it way too seriously. We are not "STICKING UP FOR" him. We are simply saying that based on his posts, and in comparison to other posts, we don't feel that his punishment necessarily fit the crime, so to speak.

SigChi, no need to insult, I said what I had to say. I was trying to get some clarity from your post since there wasn't really any apparent, originally. Read the edit, understand a little better. However, I simply do not agree. I think that you are careful to say that things are only offensive in certain contexts and certain instances. In fact, an offensive thing is an offensive thing. That is what I meant by "degrees". Is there a certain scale to which something must be deemed offensive before the poster is placed under consideration to be banned?

Bottom line, UF_pike was not meant to be taken seriously. EVER. And for those who did, YOUR bad for being too sensitive. For once, I am in TOTAL agreement with PM_Mama.

[carnation]

Originally posted by 33girl


The person posting the DZ "secrets" was banned very quickly. As for why was a person named PhiMuSecrets allowed to register...the naming function doesn't know the name means anything. Someone could register as Jesus Christ and it wouldn't pick it up.

Too late! Someone already did!

[lovelyivy84]

Originally posted by librasoul22



Bottom line, UF_pike was not meant to be taken seriously. EVER. And for those who did, YOUR bad for being too sensitive. For once, I am in TOTAL agreement with PM_Mama.

What was that?

Wow, Hell done obviously froze over, lol.

Seriously though, have you guys READ that gay and greek thread? And those people are still on GC? After that UNF guy had the NERVE to try and use KD's motto? And UF_Pike gets banned? Are you SERIOUS?

In my eyes, one is so much more offensive than the other! UF_Pike was full of it. He was trying to get attention, and he flat out admitted it. A lot of his posts were somewhat offensive, but I never felt like he meant them- he was just out to get a reaction, and people fell for it.

But to flat out disrespect a sorority and a sorority's letters because one of them says something that you disagree with.... Big Difference. There Is No Excuse.

My opinion- rules are being applied arbitrarily here. I personally don't care too much for UF_Pike either way, but if the rules are going to be enforced then they should be enforced for all.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally posted by dzrose93

All I'm saying is that I find it very strange that some GC women are sticking up for someone who, on GC, has made it clear that he feels women are valuable only if they look good -- if they are sex symbols -- and that their opinions don't count unless they have a pretty face.

Umm.... woah girl. Slow that horse and buggy down.

Craig valued my opinions, and still does when we email each other, and he called me a fat bish (other word tho) on a post in the Pi Kappa Alpha forum. So what you said isn't true.

Originally posted by 33girl
The person posting the DZ "secrets" was banned very quickly. As for why was a person named PhiMuSecrets allowed to register...the naming function doesn't know the name means anything. Someone could register as Jesus Christ and it wouldn't pick it up.

Thanx for clearing that up. I hope I didn't sound sarcastic, but I really was asking those questions, and thank you for answering them. About the name thing... Isn't there someone that oversees who registers? I thought maybe John did that. However, as much as we know, John could be like 10,000 working on GC under one name. Anyways, blah.

[dzrose93]

Originally posted by lovelyivy84
My opinion- rules are being applied arbitrarily here. I personally don't care too much for UF_Pike either way, but if the rules are going to be enforced then they should be enforced for all.

If people have a problem with something that is being posted in a forum, then they have several options.

1) They can PM any moderator and voice their concern.

2) They can hit the "report this post to a moderator" button in the bottom right corner of each post, which will automatically let the specific forum mods know about the post.

3) They can e-mail or PM John Hammell, the gentleman who is in charge of GreekChat and who has the final say in who gets banned, warned, etc.

The reason that the rules are being "applied arbitrarily" is because the moderators take action concerning posts and/or posters that are brought to their attention. Although we try to keep an eye on our own forums as well as others, we're human and some threads do get by. As a result, we may never know that a problem exists unless someone tells us about it.

The reason that UF_Pike has been banned and some other folks haven't is because UF_Pike's name was brought up to several moderators by many different GCers. So, basically, the squeaky wheel got the grease.

If y'all have a problem with someone, please inform a moderator and we'll do our best to take care of it. A lot of people seem to think that we're "out to get" certain posters, and that's simply not true. We try to make GC a nice place to visit for everyone, so let us know if you have a concern. That's the best way to help GC stay a nice place.

**lovelyivy84, I'll be glad to take a look at the thread you mentioned. Thanks for bringing it up.**

[dzrose93]

Originally posted by PM_Mama00


Umm.... woah girl. Slow that horse and buggy down.

Craig valued my opinions, and still does when we email each other, and he called me a fat bish (other word tho) on a post in the Pi Kappa Alpha forum. So what you said isn't true.

PM_Mama00 -- I just sent you a PM.

[FuzzieAlum]

It cracks me up when people say "out in the real world things are different." All my life I've been waiting to get into the real world. Well, this is it. Just because we can't see each other's faces doesn't mean it's not real.

We out here in the "real world" DO try to get rid of people that bug us, whether we have a fair claim for that or not. Sure, your best friend cheats with and then steals your girlfriend from you, you get him kicked out of the house. Fair enough, maybe. You don't like a PNM because her older sister teased you in 5th grade? You cut the PNM. Not fair, but we do it.

College world still not "real"? How about work? If, on the job, a man called his female co-workers "sweetie" and "honey" etc., like it or not, in this day and age he could probably be fired or sued for sexual harassment. Whether you think that's fair or not, it is that way here in "reality." It's not only on a BBS that folks take actions for words they deem offensive.

We all know people who we try to avoid whether it's just because they're irritating or because they have done very bad things. And if you don't want to be around someone in the physical world, it's generally EASIER to avoid them than it is on here. Here, you ban someone, they can easily come back under another name. It's not that easy in real life. In real life, if everything thinks you're a jerk, you pretty much have to move far away before you can get a clean slate.

So whether or not you like UF_Pike, or think he deserved to be banned, or just found him amusing if misguided ... those folks who wanted him banned weren't doing anything different than we all do on a daily basis. They were successful, is all.