40 acres and a mule? - Page 5

damasa · #61 08-26-2002, 01:01 AM

On another note, Honeykiss, where did you get that quote from?
I heard it the other day and I can't figure out where, and it's driving me insane.

sugar and spice · #62 08-26-2002, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by swissmiss04
Really what's the point of getting reparations when you know that you didn't earn them, but rather received them as a "handout"? Doesn't that just further degrade? Besides, as a point to the whole slavery thing....they were brought here because they were sold off by their own people. It's not like a bunch of white English and Dutch people invaded villages on the Western coast of Africa and rounded up a few thousand. No! In fact, the more powerful tribal lords would capture whole villages and march them to the coast where they would be sold for money or some means of barter to white slavers.
And besides, right now look at the plight of all the people in Africa. Ebola, AIDS, poverty, hunger, female genital mutilation, rampant war, lack of health care, abnormally short life span, etc. I know things were bad here, but somehow I think today's African American's have it a hell of a lot better than their African counterparts. And things were done to all groups that came in that weren't WASPs, such as Germans, Jews, Irish Catholics, Arabs, Italians, Russians, Japanese, etc. And not all white families owned slaves, so to expect all whites to pay for something that wasn't necessarily done by all whites is in fact, wrong and unfair. And isn't fairness what they're seeking?

Yes, there were Africans who participated in the slave trade, a fact that is often minimized by pro-reparationists. Many African tribes had slaves from the rival tribes And of course it was not only America that had slaves -- most countries in Europe, the Carribean islands and (I think) even southwest Asian countries had slaves or at least participated in their slave trading in other countries. Still, that doesn't make it OKAY in any way.

Furthermore, many of the problems in Africa can be (directly or indirectly) attributed to the fact that the strongest and healthiest Africans were removed from the country and sent into slavery. I think it would be very interesting to see how Africa would have turned out if slavery had never existed. It would be a whole lot different, I'm sure. Not only would Africa be a lot stronger, but America would be a lot weaker.

As I said before, I think the argument for reparations (at least in their current form, i.e. direct compensation to all African-Americans by all non-African-Americans) is ridiculous -- but there is no way that you can argue that this country doesn't owe quite a bit of its reputation as "the world's only superpower" to the fact that we once had a legal slave trade.

PM_Mama00 · #63 08-26-2002, 01:02 AM

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Originally posted by Honeykiss1974

On a sidenote:
My oh my! I understand that we all can say things in "the heat of the moment", but seriously this seems to be happening just to easily and frequently with you. Not a good thing.

For one, I respect you for posting in a mature manner about the way I post. Thank you.

For two... I'm Sicilian... it's in my blood to blow up in the heat of the moment. I know, not good... but what can I do?

It's cuz I'm Italian.... I know it's gota be because of that.

Honeykiss1974 · #64 08-26-2002, 01:05 AM

Thanks Damasa...

I got this quote from a discussion on the SGR board. Someone posted it as part of their response, so I kind of "borrowed it".

PiKA2001 · #65 08-26-2002, 01:09 AM

Have you all gone mad!!??? This is getting way out of hand. End this now!!!! There is no point wasting your time on this subject. The controversial subject of reparations has been blasted, thought over and criticized for years now. Will it ever happen? Only time will tell, till then, lets please move on.

Eirene_DGP · #66 08-26-2002, 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by PM_Mama00

This type of stuff is what makes people prejudice! I know it's what makes me prejudice. I have no problem with blacks, but once they start bringing this up and saying that they are/were treated worse than anyone in the world. Ok? Fine.... I just admitted that I am prejudice.... but I explained it so maybe some of you will understand. But for those who can't--- I have absolutely no problem with people of a different color, but when they try to give the guilt trip, I am NOT havin it!

Whoa!!! I cannot believe you typed this.... Keep in mind that you are reflecting your organization. This is why a lot of minorities think twice about joining historically white orgs...you will always have people who STILL think like you.

I cannot believe you said you have a problem with blacks who continue to bring this up. IF WE feel like we are treated differently and young black children are not treated equally in the public school system, we will continue to talk about it whether you like it or not. IF WE backed down from people like YOU, WE would not be as far as we are now. YOU really need to think about things before you say them.

~Steelstrap, thanks for speaking out on this Blatant prejudice.

PM_Mama00 · #67 08-26-2002, 02:27 AM

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Originally posted by Eirene_DGP

Whoa!!! I cannot believe you typed this.... Keep in mind that you are reflecting your organization. This is why a lot of minorities think twice about joining historically white orgs...you will always have people who STILL think like you.

I cannot believe you said you have a problem with blacks who continue to bring this up. IF WE feel like we are treated differently and young black children are not treated equally in the public school system, we will continue to talk about it whether you like it or not. IF WE backed down from people like YOU, WE would not be as far as we are now. YOU really need to think about things before you say them.

~Steelstrap, thanks for speaking out on this Blatant prejudice.

I typed it. Yes. What I say may reflect my organization, but it shouldn't. And if you are gona think that all Phi Mus think like this, than I'm sorry but you're wrong. One of the great reasons for being in a historically white org, or ANY org, is that we're all different and have different thoughts. I wuold have no problem with a minority joining my sorority. It would add to the multiculturalism that we already have, which I like. I do not speak for Phi Mu... I speak for PM_Mama00.

As for having a problem with blacks who continue to bring "this" up... this= blaming everything that happens to them because they are black. That's what I can't stand, and I've heard African Americans say this themselves. I"m sorry if you feel that I"m tryin to get blacks to not fight for themselves. I feel that there are others who need to fight for themselves to get where they are. If you feel the need to fight, then go ahead and fight. Just don't give every white person you see who voices their opinion an attitude. In that I don't mean you, yourself. I mean whoever. I've been called a F***** white bitch (I brought that up in another thread), so what makes that person better than me? Or equal? To me that is what I hate. Double standards, and whites always being blamed.

I hope that clears up my post.

PhiSigCoco · #68 08-26-2002, 02:39 AM

Just a little interjection...

A Portland Oregon based Talk Radio station is collecting dirt (yes, dirt) to send with a mule to this guy. They are attempting to get 1 acre by 1/4 inch deep worth of dirt.

Steeltrap · #69 08-26-2002, 08:25 AM

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Originally posted by PM_Mama00

I'm sorry but your words are just too big for my small mind. Did you say dung-laden pot? I'm also a PRODUCTIVE (3 snaps in a Z formation) member. Have you even read any of my other posts? And back then I was a young GCer... didn't know about the SEARCH (4 snaps in a Y formation). If you realize that these discussions often deteriorate into utterly retromingent diatribes, then why post? If you don't wana stir up the dung-laden pot, then why post?

GC is a forum for asking/giving advice, sharing stories, meeting new people, and what we've all learned--- debates. If you can't take the heat, stop standing over the stove.

-PM_Mama00
--you can put away your thesaurus now, you're not impressing anyone with your crappy pot.

Yawn. My suggestion is to go hit your books, and don't quote In Living Color with the snaps because after all, it was a creation of people who bug you.

BTW, I love big words. I've used big words all my life.
I like a good debate, but with people who are receptive to other ideas. And you don't seem to be, judging from your posts.
I'm too busy living to deal with pathetic cases.

Honeykiss1974 · #70 08-26-2002, 08:46 AM

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Originally posted by PM_Mama00

I typed it. Yes. What I say may reflect my organization, but it shouldn't. And if you are gona think that all Phi Mus think like this, than I'm sorry but you're wrong. One of the great reasons for being in a historically white org, or ANY org, is that we're all different and have different thoughts. I wuold have no problem with a minority joining my sorority. It would add to the multiculturalism that we already have, which I like. I do not speak for Phi Mu... I speak for PM_Mama00.

As for having a problem with blacks who continue to bring "this" up... this= blaming everything that happens to them because they are black. That's what I can't stand, and I've heard African Americans say this themselves. I"m sorry if you feel that I"m tryin to get blacks to not fight for themselves. I feel that there are others who need to fight for themselves to get where they are. If you feel the need to fight, then go ahead and fight. Just don't give every white person you see who voices their opinion an attitude. In that I don't mean you, yourself. I mean whoever. I've been called a F***** white bitch (I brought that up in another thread), so what makes that person better than me? Or equal? To me that is what I hate. Double standards, and whites always being blamed.

I hope that clears up my post.

What does you being called a F___ W____ B_____ have to do with idea of being that person being better or "more equaal"

than you? You still can't seem to realize that maybe.....
just maybe....
you just pissed someone off and that was it???

Oh Lawd, I am truly in amazement at some of things that just keeping coming this chile!

librasoul22 · #71 08-26-2002, 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by Honeykiss1974

What does you being called a F___ W____ B_____ have to do with idea of being that person being better or "more equaal" than you? You still can't seem to realize that maybe.....
just maybe....
you just pissed someone off and that was it???

Oh Lawd, I am truly in amazement at some of things that just keeping coming this chile!

That makes 2 of us!

PM_Mama, do you really think that all of this is as simple as blaming white people for everything?? Sigh.

You seem to group EVERY complaint that you hear from a Black person under one category: Just another black person blaming whitey. Sorry, but not everyone IS blaming white people for everything. However, it is TRUE that the plight of Black people today is due to:

systematic

and

institutionalized

racism

and it is the direct result of hundreds of years of oppression (which, indeed, continues today).

I am glad you have said outright that you are prejudiced, you have been in denial for a little while now.

Jews and Blacks cannot be compared, nor can any other minority's past/present/future...and despite your rebuttal, comparing them is absolutely what you did.

PM_Mama, I cannot fathom how you can call yoursef "open-minded" and in the same breath say you are prejudiced. Does that make sense to anyone??

And yes, I too am tired of the whiners. I am very weary of those paranoid people who believe that everything is a conspiracy against Blacks. Not EVERYTHING is. But when it comes to the present ramifications of slavery, I am sorry, but that cannot be denied or refuted. And if it tires you to hear about it, that's fine. STOP PERPETUATING IT. Then maybe you won't have to hear it so much.

Eirene_DGP · #72 08-26-2002, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by PM_Mama00

I mean whoever. I've been called a F***** white bitch.

And you wonder why....Sometimes I wonder how white people would function if they just happened to be born black or any other non-white ethnicity. So I'm guessing you are going to teach your children the same prejudice and racism that you have...

madmax · #73 08-26-2002, 11:55 AM

Anyone that wants 40 acres and a mule is just looking for a free ride.

Bamboozled · #74 08-26-2002, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by Eirene_DGP
Whoa!!! I cannot believe you typed this.... Keep in mind that you are reflecting your organization. This is why a lot of minorities think twice about joining historically white orgs...you will always have people who STILL think like you.
I cannot believe you said you have a problem with blacks who continue to bring this up. IF WE feel like we are treated differently and young black children are not treated equally in the public school system, we will continue to talk about it whether you like it or not. IF WE backed down from people like YOU, WE would not be as far as we are now. YOU really need to think about things before you say them.
~Steelstrap, thanks for speaking out on this Blatant prejudice.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this post. You took the words/thoughts right out of my mouth.

While it saddens me that a supposedly educated, upwardly mobile young woman (PM_Mama) would spout such nonsensical garbage, I am also grateful for her honesty. It keeps me on my toes, reminds me to never get too comfortable and reinforces that bigotry and intolerance are still alive and kicking in 2002, even among my peers. It brings to mind the saying, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer". PM_Mama, you have really shown your true colors in this and in other threads, but at least you have the balls to do it. So, keep telling us how you really feel. And thank you for distancing yourself from Phi Mu. That way you're only embarrassing yourself and not your entire organization.

prayerfull · #75 08-26-2002, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by PM_Mama00
For two... I'm Sicilian... it's in my blood to blow up in the heat of the moment. I know, not good... but what can I do?
It's cuz I'm Italian.... I know it's gota be because of that.[/color]

Well, PM_Mama - - you're prejudism ought to really start trippin' out when I tell you this....I'm racially mixed..

Sicilian (25%), Spanish (Malaga) (25%) and BLACK (50%).

Got a problem with that? You think you're blood is hot...mine is straight up boiling over the bull crap that you've posted on this thread.