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01-25-2014, 01:57 PM
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Unfortunately, adding another round of rush back in will only had in about 20-30 minutes more of actual conversation and that would be divided by 3 or 4 members. It's still not enough to warm up some girls. Really at IU they should add a full additional round to allow for a more civil level of cuts after each round. But it wouldn't solve the inevitable heartbreak and it would just drag out the torture. So really I don't see any win here without making wholesale changes that are simply not going to happen at this school (fall rush so it's happening before opinions are formed and more time allowed exclusively for the process and a traditional quota/total system are the 2 key ones IMO)
Also, at IU people should really stop saying it's a mutual selection process. At any school that's a stretch; at IU it verges on outright fabrication. You are visiting 21 sororities to see which one/s will allow you in. IF you can get over the idea that you have any say in which chapter/s will accept you and happily take any positive answer as success, then you dear IU rushee will probably be happier in the long run.
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01-25-2014, 02:05 PM
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Looks like the new sorority is still taking sign ups for interviews also
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01-25-2014, 02:36 PM
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In response to the girls that were offered snap bids - I know for sure one girl did not go through any of the recruitment process. She told everyone she was not interested in Rushing. She did receive a snap bid the day after snap bid. She did accept. She did not pay the Rush fee that my daughter and hundreds other paid and did not receive a bid. She did not travel back to IU early. to commit days visiting houses in the freezing cold.
Unfair is an understatement.
This chapter should at the very least be required to pick from the girls who went through all the hard work of formal requirement.
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01-25-2014, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Indiana mom
In response to the girls that were offered snap bids - I know for sure one girl did not go through any of the recruitment process. She told everyone she was not interested in Rushing. She did receive a snap bid the day after snap bid. She did accept. She did not pay the Rush fee that my daughter and hundreds other paid and did not receive a bid. She did not travel back to IU early. to commit days visiting houses in the freezing cold.
Unfair is an understatement.
This chapter should at the very least be required to pick from the girls who went through all the hard work of formal requirement.
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You are hurt and angry, we get it. You should let your daughter deal with it at this point. It is her college experience, not yours. Sororities are not obligated to select from women who paid a registration fee when it comes to COB bids. People have been very gracious to the IU moms on this thread because of IUs unique recruitment, but the helicopter blades are loud.
Good luck to all next year, but especially good luck to the great pledge class DPhiE will get!
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01-25-2014, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Indiana mom
In response to the girls that were offered snap bids - I know for sure one girl did not go through any of the recruitment process. She told everyone she was not interested in Rushing. She did receive a snap bid the day after snap bid. She did accept. She did not pay the Rush fee that my daughter and hundreds other paid and did not receive a bid. She did not travel back to IU early. to commit days visiting houses in the freezing cold.
Unfair is an understatement.
This chapter should at the very least be required to pick from the girls who went through all the hard work of formal requirement.
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Originally Posted by Indiana mom
In response to the girls that were offered snap bids - I know for sure one girl did not go through any of the recruitment process. She told everyone she was not interested in Rushing. She did receive a snap bid the day after snap bid. She did accept. She did not pay the Rush fee that my daughter and hundreds other paid and did not receive a bid. She did not travel back to IU early. to commit days visiting houses in the freezing cold.
Unfair is an understatement.
This chapter should at the very least be required to pick from the girls who went through all the hard work of formal requirement.
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Again, these are rumors at best--there is no way to know anything "for a fact" unless you are directly involved. Extenuating circumstances. That's all I am sayin.....
And to the moms who believe their daughters to be the "perfect package"? You are complaining about exclusivity yet you describe how perfect and special you believe your daughter to be. Do you not see the irony in that? EVERY WOMAN WHO WENT THROUGH RECRUITMENT HAS SOMETHING SPECIAL TO OFFER. None of us (and certainly not the actives) walk around with the prototype of the "perfect package in our heads. But I can tell you that the car someone drives, what religion they are, what daddy does for living, or what town they live in are not factors. The biggest factor, is how a PNM connects with a chapter during rush. And there are plenty of new pledges who knew no one, were not legacies and had no recs. Further more, this year's PNM's did not have to return that early--in the past IU recruitment has started up to a week prior to classes--sometimes on Jan 2. And being forced to visit houses the cold weather? Really? Was your daughter complaining or is that all mom.
Please know that every one here concedes that IU recruitment is a mess; a difficult, and very imperfect process. Changes must be made. But there is no conspiracy against anyone's daughter because she is from a certain place, because she is a dancer, because she lives in a certain neighborhood on campus. The girls out there who went bidless got the short end of the stick--no question. But as has been stressed a million times in this thread, this process is more than anything arbitrary; these heartbroken women are a victim of bad luck. Nothing more, nothing less.
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01-25-2014, 04:05 PM
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Again, these are rumors at best--there is no way to know anything "for a fact" unless you are directly involved. Extenuating circumstances. That's all I am sayin.....
And to the moms who believe their daughters to be the "perfect package"? You are complaining about exclusivity yet you describe how perfect and special you believe your daughter to be. Do you not see the irony in that? EVERY WOMAN WHO WENT THROUGH RECRUITMENT HAS SOMETHING SPECIAL TO OFFER. None of us (and certainly not the actives) walk around with the prototype of the "perfect package in our heads. But I can tell you that the car someone drives, what religion they are, what daddy does for living, or what town they live in are not factors. The biggest factor, is how a PNM connects with a chapter during rush. And there are plenty of new pledges who knew no one, were not legacies and had no recs. Further more, this year's PNM's did not have to return that early--in the past IU recruitment has started up to a week prior to classes--sometimes on Jan 2. And being forced to visit houses the cold weather? Really? Was your daughter complaining or is that all mom.
Please know that every one here concedes that IU recruitment is a mess; a difficult, and very imperfect process. Changes must be made. But there is no conspiracy against anyone's daughter because she is from a certain place, because she is a dancer, because she lives in a certain neighborhood on campus. The girls out there who went bidless got the short end of the stick--no question. But as has been stressed a million times in this thread, this process is more than anything arbitrary; these heartbroken women are a victim of bad luck. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Agree. I think all that could be said about 2014 IU Recruitment has been said. Let's hope this helps push IU towards change and the new chapter on campus has a great colonization.
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01-25-2014, 02:41 PM
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Why?
These are private organizations who can pick WHOEVER they want. Rush just makes the process of finding which girls they want easier. There is no contract that says they have to choose ANY girls through formal rush.
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01-25-2014, 04:07 PM
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Rhomom, you got it almost right, up until the second to the last sentence.
For many women, it is not "bad luck." It is a consequence of no quota/total in place. It is bed rush. You cannot go to Preference, list all invites on your MRABA, and end up bidless at any other campus in the country, barring any unforeseen events or circumstances.
I will repeat this ad infinitum.
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01-25-2014, 04:11 PM
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Rhomom, you got it almost right, up until the second to the last sentence.
For many women, it is not "bad luck." It is a consequence of no quota/total in place. It is bed rush. You cannot go to Preference, list all invites on your MRABA, and end up bidless at any other campus in the country, barring any unforeseen events or circumstances.
I will repeat this ad infinitum.
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Ok--bad luck AND bed rush!
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01-25-2014, 04:11 PM
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It is not a rumor that she received a snap bid the day after formal bids even though she did not go through formal recruitment. This information came directly from her.
Don't assume everything posted is rumor or is being posted to be vindictive. There is some valid , helpful information being posted. Don't diminish everyone as being a "helicopter mom". There are many of us that would like to see the system operating in a more fair way so "all" young women can have a positive college experience.
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01-18-2014, 08:25 PM
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12 party to 3 party WTELF???
(Can we do this with hockey playoffs so the season ends before June? Just saying is all.)
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01-19-2014, 03:23 AM
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12 party to 3 party WTELF???
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Amen to that! So you've spent 45 minutes per chapter at 21 party, and, what, another 45 minutes per chapter at 12 party, and you're choosing which 3 chapters you want to pref?
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01-19-2014, 08:31 AM
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Amen to that! So you've spent 45 minutes per chapter at 21 party, and, what, another 45 minutes per chapter at 12 party, and you're choosing which 3 chapters you want to pref?
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And the actives spent 45 minutes with you at 21 party and another 45 minutes at 12 party and they're choosing who to invite to 3 party.
My daughter believes the cuts are going to be brutal. The PNMs she knows, herself included, have no idea how they are doing. Most of them were surprised by chapters who did not invite them back to 12 as well as chapters who did. As we have no point of reference is this how it usually is or has the revised schedule made it so?
We knew rushing at IU was tough but this is bordering on insanity.
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01-22-2014, 05:17 PM
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I feel for the girls, I do. But sorry, unless you've been on the other side of recruitment, you don't really understand what the actives go through. It's a whole different kind of hell.
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I'm one of the freaks who loved recruitment, so maybe my opinion is skewed, but PNMs have it SO MUCH WORSE. This is a topic for another thread and nobody is discounting how hard it is for the actives, but especially at IU, nothing is fair for the PNMs.
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