Indiana University 2014 Recruitment

[AZTheta]

suzy88, some PNMs don't maximize their options. Others do. The importance and meaning of "maximize your options" is explained over and over and over throughout the entire recruitment process. This particular poster's daughter chose to drop out of recruitment rather than attend any Preference parties. That was her choice. It is not heartbreaking. She had three chapters who were interested in her. She didn't like her invitations. She ended the process. That can happen on any campus. That is an example of "mutual selection".

Regardless, at Indiana, there ARE women who maximize their options, go through Preference, and still do not receive a bid. That is heartbreaking.

[Titchou]

Once again, people who want the wedding and not the marriage.

[DubaiSis]

The problem is they think the wedding IS the marriage. Only people who have been married know the difference. I am not a mother but I think I know how ridiculous the following statement is: if they would just do as we say they'd be happier. Because we know how open to suggestion and advice 18 year old girls are.

The bad news is there are few second chances at IU. The good news is there ARE a few.

[Benzgirl]

I'm not planning to read through 55 pages, but doesn't IU use RFM so that more girls would get cut early rather than after Pref?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

I'm not planning to read through 55 pages, but doesn't IU use RFM so that more girls would get cut early rather than after Pref?

RFM most likely was a complete cluster this year with a round of parties being eliminated. AND I STILL NEVER GOT AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by 33girl

RFM most likely was a complete cluster this year with a round of parties being eliminated. AND I STILL NEVER GOT AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.

I'm waiting to see the answer as well.

[IUHoosiergirl88]

Originally Posted by 33girl

RFM most likely was a complete cluster this year with a round of parties being eliminated. AND I STILL NEVER GOT AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.

What was the question?

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

I'm not planning to read through 55 pages, but doesn't IU use RFM so that more girls would get cut early rather than after Pref?

Originally Posted by 33girl

RFM most likely was a complete cluster this year with a round of parties being eliminated. AND I STILL NEVER GOT AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.

Yes, IU uses RFM. I am sure it was a cluster. But bed rush still screws up RFM to an extent. I am confident that RFM was not designed for bud rush, it was designed for quota/total. The only thing RFM really does is keeps strong recruiting chapters from over inviting to the early rounds, which happened like crazy prior to RFM.

Let's say there are 1600 PNMs. A SRC can invite 50% to the next round (12 party) which is 800. And let's say they are a highly sought after chapter and 750 accept bids. Then they are allowed to take 50% the next round (3 party) which is 375. Their quota is 40. So if 300 accept invitations, then 260 women are on their second and third bid lists, 260 who could potentially go bidless if they are on the second and third lists of the other two chapters on their pref invitation list.

If it were quota/total, their quota would be much higher. Possibly 60-70 depending on how many women were still eligible or a bid.

[AGDee]

One key thing to note is that some women who DID receive bids may decide not to follow through because the chapter that bid them was their third choice and they believe they are too good for that chapter, just as some believe they are too good for the chapters that invited them to preference and decide to drop before pref because of that. In most cases, chapters are allowed to replace those women immediately with whomever they choose, as long as that woman didn't sign a pref card and then didn't accept a bid.

A woman who ends up cut because she is a grade risk (meets the minimum, but not by much) but who knows and is liked by many women in the chapter can get a bid that way.

In spite of the fact that there are women who go to three prefs and sign their bid card including all three chapters, there are also chapters who don't make quota because women they really wanted dropped out of recruitment because those women didn't want to go there. Chapters that don't make quota are probably able to continue to pick up women for a few days at least, even when there is a colonization on the horizon.

I'm speculating, of course. I don't have real numbers or data to base that on, but it is how I usually see it work. I don't work with this particular chapter anymore so I don't have access to any actual numbers anymore.

[AZTheta]

Okay, it's time to take the cotton out of your ears and put it in your mouths. It's reached the point that all empathy and patience has been consumed by the whining and rumor mongering. Dee said it, just above, and others have also said this nicely, multiple times, earlier in this Thread That Will Not Die. Here it is, no frills:

1) Membership selection is private. A chapter can issue a bid to whomever they want. Period. What happens after that is internal and is chapter business, including whether or not a new member has the required GPA. End of story.

2) IU chapters do not operate on a quota/total system. The individual chapters can take as many or as few members as they want. Got it? A chapter can choose, after formal recruitment, to bid whomever they want (including women who did not go through FR). Again, that is chapter business.

3) Stop making excuses for 18 year olds not understanding the meaning of "maximize options." There is a difference between dropping out of recruitment when you still have invitations, and going all the way through in good faith (including Preference), filling out the MRABA, and not receiving a bid. A HUGE difference. That is the crux of the issue; that is the sticking point of bed rush. That is what we NPC alumnae are saying. Bed rush: one campus in the entire NPC uses it. Animal Farm, anyone?

IBTL.

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by AZTheta

Okay, it's time to take the cotton out of your ears and put it in your mouths. It's reached the point that all empathy and patience has been consumed by the whining and rumor mongering. Dee said it, just above, and others have also said this nicely, multiple times, earlier in this Thread That Will Not Die. Here it is, no frills:

1) Membership selection is private. A chapter can issue a bid to whomever they want. Period. What happens after that is internal and is chapter business, including whether or not a new member has the required GPA. End of story.

2) IU chapters do not operate on a quota/total system. The individual chapters can take as many or as few members as they want. Got it? A chapter can choose, after formal recruitment, to bid whomever they want (including women who did not go through FR). Again, that is chapter business.

3) Stop making excuses for 18 year olds not understanding the meaning of "maximize options." There is a difference between dropping out of recruitment when you still have invitations, and going all the way through in good faith (including Preference), filling out the MRABA, and not receiving a bid. A HUGE difference. That is the crux of the issue; that is the sticking point of bed rush. That is what we NPC alumnae are saying. Bed rush: one campus in the entire NPC uses it. Animal Farm, anyone?

IBTL.

Big smile.

[Titchou]

Is she signed up for the interviews for DPhiE?

[Iu mom]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Is she signed up for the interviews for DPhiE?

No. I know some will say that's her own fault then but the truth is having been exposed to greek life her whole life she wants the experience that includes living in a house. I was a founder of my chapter and graduated never living in a house and although I love my sisters it was NOT the same experience and my daughter knows that because I've talked about that forever. So as unpopular as that is to those either in an in-housed chapter it is based on experience that I speak. College is truly more than just what you learn in a classroom and I believe that living in a sorority house is a huge educational experience - that said my daughter maximized til the end had enough to choose from after 12 to pref 3 housed houses just didn't work out for her.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Iu mom

No. I know some will say that's her own fault then but the truth is having been exposed to greek life her whole life she wants the experience that includes living in a house. I was a founder of my chapter and graduated never living in a house and although I love my sisters it was NOT the same experience and my daughter knows that because I've talked about that forever. So as unpopular as that is to those either in an in-housed chapter it is based on experience that I speak. College is truly more than just what you learn in a classroom and I believe that living in a sorority house is a huge educational experience - that said my daughter maximized til the end had enough to choose from after 12 to pref 3 housed houses just didn't work out for her.

Part of a college experience is experiencing your own path and not your mother's. Just a thought. Your bias may cost your daughter a chance at a Greek experience. Period.

[TriDeltaSallie]

Originally Posted by Iu mom

No. I know some will say that's her own fault then but the truth is having been exposed to greek life her whole life she wants the experience that includes living in a house. I was a founder of my chapter and graduated never living in a house and although I love my sisters it was NOT the same experience and my daughter knows that because I've talked about that forever. So as unpopular as that is to those either in an in-housed chapter it is based on experience that I speak. College is truly more than just what you learn in a classroom and I believe that living in a sorority house is a huge educational experience - that said my daughter maximized til the end had enough to choose from after 12 to pref 3 housed houses just didn't work out for her.

I was a member of a housed chapter at another Big Ten university, but never lived in. I commuted from home (about ten miles) because my parents were not willing to pay for housing although they paid for all of my education otherwise. I was chapter president twice (with a special dispensation to live out from our national executive board - not the norm), a Greek Week co-chair, university homecoming overall co-chair, and active in many other honor societies and groups on campus.

Your college experience is what you make of it. Living at home did not ruin my college experience. I was at the house more than some of the women who lived in. I ate there often. I slept over at times. I developed many wonderful friendships with the women in my chapter that continue to this day.

I know that IU is a different place, but to choose to not be Greek over being in an unhoused chapter is crazy IMHO. I will say this. It takes courage and a certain amount of self-confidence to buck the system and be willing to do something different than everyone else. Some women are able to do that and some aren't.

But I have no sympathy for anyone who laments not being Greek when they weren't willing to give every chapter a chance, especially if it is the unhoused chapters.

Maybe it will work out for your daughter eventually. Or maybe she needs to reevaluate her options and ask which is more important - being Greek or living in a sorority house. She may have to choose. If she waits and does formal recruitment again next year and doesn't get in, she'll have lost out on a full year of being Greek at that point and may not get another chance.