Can National Shut Down a Chapter Because of it's Racial Breakdown?

[DSTCHAOS]

I seriously LOL'd at AKAMonet's original post. I thought it was a funny way to articulate her main point.

[magichat]

While I agree to an extent, I did not join my organization because because it was it was that organization, I joined because I liked the people in it and how I interacted well with them. I would have joined this group no matter what greek letters it had, as far as the 'ideals' of each organization, that had no bearing in my joining this chapter, the ideals of the individual members are the only ones I worried about.

Don't get me wrong, I love my national fraternity (because of my chapter, perhaps?) I love the ritual that my organization has, but my loyalty remains, and will continue to remain with my chapter.

[PANTHERTEKE]

Originally Posted by magichat

While I agree to an extent, I did not join my organization because because it was it was that organization, I joined because I liked the people in it and how I interacted well with them. I would have joined this group no matter what greek letters it had, as far as the 'ideals' of each organization, that had no bearing in my joining this chapter, the ideals of the individual members are the only ones I worried about.

Don't get me wrong, I love my national fraternity (because of my chapter, perhaps?) I love the ritual that my organization has, but my loyalty remains, and will continue to remain with my chapter.

I completely agree, and anyone who says "I joined my GLO because I compared its creed and principles to the other chapters on campus and picked the best, as opposed to because of the members in the chapter" is full of it.

I don't understand why so many people have a problem with chapter pride.

[Chan815]

Originally Posted by magichat

While I agree to an extent, I did not join my organization because because it was it was that organization, I joined because I liked the people in it and how I interacted well with them. I would have joined this group no matter what greek letters it had, as far as the 'ideals' of each organization, that had no bearing in my joining this chapter, the ideals of the individual members are the only ones I worried about.

Don't get me wrong, I love my national fraternity (because of my chapter, perhaps?) I love the ritual that my organization has, but my loyalty remains, and will continue to remain with my chapter.

Well put. I honestly didn't know shit about my fraternities 'ideals' until i started the pledgeing!

[LΩVE]

Originally Posted by magichat

While I agree to an extent, I did not join my organization because because it was it was that organization, I joined because I liked the people in it and how I interacted well with them. I would have joined this group no matter what greek letters it had, as far as the 'ideals' of each organization, that had no bearing in my joining this chapter, the ideals of the individual members are the only ones I worried about.

Don't get me wrong, I love my national fraternity (because of my chapter, perhaps?) I love the ritual that my organization has, but my loyalty remains, and will continue to remain with my chapter.

That is a good way of explaining it. I think there are a lot of us that chose the chapter and not the national/international organization, especially as college freshmen making this kind of decision. Learning through the new member process about the national organization is what made me appreciate mine.

[Achilles87]

Sorry for not proofreading cutiepie. When I created this thread, I was more concerned about the idea that my chapter may be shut down by the end of the school year than as to whether or not I accidentally put an apostrophe into its.

[PhiGam]

I read somewhere that gingers are being bred out of the human race. I think the prediction was that after 2100 there won't be any more redheads born.

[DSTCHAOS]

I agree with Ch2tf except that age doesn't always matter. Unfortunately, there are NPHCers who have been out of college for 16, 30, or 100 () years who feel that their chapter is the be-all and end-all. These are often the same people who also haven't been financial or active in the organization since they graduated and their only activity tends to be with their undergraduate chapter and/or hanging with the members they went to college with.

From an NPHC standpoint, that's lame. I can't speak for the culture of nonNPHC organizations because there's also a different process there.

I have a great deal of chapter pride and love my chapter Sorors. However, if it had not been for my undergraduate chapter, I would've pursued Delta through an alumnae chapter. To say that the organizational affiliation doesn't matter and that it's only about the members of particular chapter is ridiculous from an NPHC standpoint.

There are universities where every NPHC chapter has really cool members that are easy to get along with. That's the common denominator. The differentiating factor is the national organization and the events that the chapters are campus representations of. If not for the national entity and what it stands for, many of us would've stopped after we joined the gospel choir or SGA because the same cool students and student leaders were found there. That's if we were following people around versus pursuing lifetime membership in an organization.

[magichat]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

if it had not been for my undergraduate chapter, I would've pursued Delta through an alumnae chapter.

This is the difference I am talking about, if I had shown up to campus and felt I meshed better with another group of guys, I would have wanted to join that group.

agree to disagree?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by magichat

agree to disagree?

No but you can not respond to me, since I wasn't responding to you. I'm typing about a topic.

[gtdxeric]

Originally Posted by magichat

agree to disagree?

I'm not sure if that's the best way to put it, because you're not comparing apples to apples here. I'd recommend you "agree to understand" instead.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by gtdxeric

I'm not sure if that's the best way to put it, because you're not comparing apples to apples here. I'd recommend you "agree to understand" instead.

Yep. I think we all understand and are now just sharing.

[gtdxeric]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Yep. I think we all understand and are now just sharing.

[Kansas City]

If I selected and was initiated into a chapter/organization based on their ideals and then the national organization wanted to close the chapter because of these ideals, I think that I would want to re-examine my association with said chapter/organization. Perhaps the chapter/organization is not really what you thought it was or is changing in a direction to which you no longer agree. I personally would consider de-activation and look at other camups organizations to get involved in. Why waste your time with people and organizations that no longer represent who you are or who you want to be?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Kansas City

If I selected and was initiated into a chapter/organization based on their ideals and then the national organization wanted to close the chapter because of these ideals, I think that I would want to re-examine my association with said chapter/organization. Perhaps the chapter/organization is not really what you thought it was or is changing in a direction to which you no longer agree. I personally would consider de-activation and look at other camups organizations to get involved in. Why waste your time with people and organizations that no longer represent who you are or who you want to be?

I think that in the case the OP laid out, the chapter does not agree with the national org, but if they tell the national org to go screw, then they're without a national affiliate - and not all campuses will allow a local group to stay on without national affiliation. Not to mention if this was a sorority, the women could definitely never join another NPC group.

I don't think deactivation of one member will solve the problem here, it's that the chapter believes the ideals entail one thing and the national HQ (or certain people at HQ) believe another.

Maybe I don't agree with what ABC HQ is doing, but on my campus, ABC means something that I am proud of. Why would I want to throw that away?