Tiers... - Page 4

violetpretty · #46 05-21-2008, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

Also, is there a relationship between the founding date of the chapter and the social status/tier of said group?

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Absolutely there's a relationship.

Oldest are almost always higher. (or at least have a greater chance of being higher.)

And no, having 12 fraternities does not mean the tiers change. Arkansas has that many and it hasn't changed. The middle switches up a bit but only because of a new house.

Let's say an old, established "top tier" chapter gets kicked off campus for risk management related reasons, and comes back 10 years later. Are they more likely to resume "top tier" status because of the old cohort or do they have to start from the middle/bottom like most new chapters?

banditone · #47 05-21-2008, 12:36 PM

After 10 years? They will start low to middle usually. A) they will not come back with the numbers they are used to (most likely). B) when you start up new, you will usually have to take in new members that you wouldn't have taken back when you were top tier.

Also, take into account you may have sold off your house (10 years is a long time). Coming back with no house when your competition is in plantation mansions is very hard.

just my .2 pennies.

srmom · #48 05-21-2008, 01:06 PM

That's what has happened to my husband's fraternity.

Back when he was a member, it was a good house - lots of members, a nice house, good relations with sororities, etc. They got kicked off a number of years ago, and just recently recolonized. They have about 12 members now and are struggling from what I hear. The house was leased out to another fraternity and is not in the best of shape. I guess they will get back in there, but with only 12 or so people paying dues, I don't know how they'll pay the bills. I know that they have a pretty strong alumni base, but I don't know how long they would continue to foot the bill for a struggling chapter.

It remains to be seen how they will do. They are a big national fraternity with lots of name recognition, but it is hard to break back into the ranks at a school such as this.

Elephant Walk · #49 05-21-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by violetpretty

Let's say an old, established "top tier" chapter gets kicked off campus for risk management related reasons, and comes back 10 years later. Are they more likely to resume "top tier" status because of the old cohort or do they have to start from the middle/bottom like most new chapters?

Upper bottom, lower middle.

Where it goes from there, depends on how they recruit. There is a certain fraternity on campus here that just came back on that plans on bidding as many guys as possible in order to get off colony status (yes, I know it's absurdly easy to figure out who it is). That's not a good way to do things. The guys they've started off with are questionable at best. However, if a traditionally strong chapter starts off building slowly with a group of excellent individuals, the skies the limit.

violetpretty · #50 05-22-2008, 09:25 PM

Would it be different if the fraternity in question came back after 5 years and still owned their house (assuming the chapter house was at least on par with the rest on campus)? Would their old reputation be more likely to follow the colony members or would they still have to "prove" themselves?

banditone · #51 05-22-2008, 10:53 PM

pm'd you.

Another thing you are seeing more these days. A lot of chapters are getting booted for hazing. Stay off for at least 5 years. Come back on, but with nationals all up in their cool-aid and on a strong "no hazing / let anyone in" kind of stance.

That will knock you down a few tiers right there.

srmom · #52 05-23-2008, 10:08 AM

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Another thing you are seeing more these days. A lot of chapters are getting booted for hazing. Stay off for at least 5 years. Come back on, but with nationals all up in their cool-aid and on a strong "no hazing / let anyone in" kind of stance.

That will knock you down a few tiers right there.

That's the story of my husband's fraternity...

Elephant Walk · #53 05-23-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by banditone

pm'd you.

Another thing you are seeing more these days. A lot of chapters are getting booted for hazing. Stay off for at least 5 years. Come back on, but with nationals all up in their cool-aid and on a strong "no hazing / let anyone in" kind of stance.

That will knock you down a few tiers right there.

That's true...

But once the nationals are off the radar...it just comes back it often a more subdued form, from what i've seen.

Tom Earp · #54 05-23-2008, 03:50 PM

I love the tier discussion!

There are chapters at each campus that are stronger than others. Agreed, but for how long and each year?

So, can anyone say that a certain confrence is predominate with each GLO?

If some of the people post on this site really check around, they will see that each GLO is somewhat regional!

The Female GLOs so much more than the Male GLOs! But, this still will hold true if some look.

banditone · #55 05-24-2008, 05:15 PM

you like to say "GLO" don't ya.