Who is this Ron Paul?

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

No, I am not a college kid anynore, I am a graduate of my University.

I try and keep up on Political topics and have voted in every election since I turned 18 which is the voting age.

Tom Earp, if your birthday is in 1942 then you would have turned 18 in 1960. However, the 26th Amendment wasn't ratified until 1971. Were you voting Chicago-style?

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

What I mean is, I, and I assume many others, just won't vote for a woman.

Well, that's fine, but then just man-up and say it straight out like that rather than harping on personal, subjective things about her as a woman, in her marriage, etc., so you can somehow make your not voting for her HER fault. Own your misogyny, don't find an excuse for it.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

Tom Earp, if your birthday is in 1942 then you would have turned 18 in 1960. However, the 26th Amendment wasn't ratified until 1971. Were you voting Chicago-style?

So you can do math.

Get a drivers locense at 16. We could vote at 18 in Mo.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

She's trying to play the part of a man, because she wants a man's job. Nothing personal towards you, or women in general, but I could never vote for a woman who was as masculine (acting) as Hillary.
BUT, I could never vote for a woman who was traditionally feminine and "soft" like you said (Laura Bush).
What I mean is, I, and I assume many others, just won't vote for a woman.

Wow... just wow.

Newsflash buddy it's the twenty first century not the ninetieth.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Well, geeze. If I was trying to hide it, I wouldn't have written it.

My fault, I think I had you confused, SEC, with your similarly old-world-southern brethren, southernfrat. You two seem like you'd get along famously, though, politically/socially.

I'll give you credit for owning your prejudices outright (anti-woman, anti-Canadian, anti-cohabitation, I'm sensing the trend...), I'll support anyone's right to have and state their opinions, even if they're in radical opposition to mine, it's the folks that won't own up to their base opinions and hide behind rhetoric and other people's subjective attributes that irritate me...


ETA: And eli, sorry, it's just never going to happen...

[GeekyPenguin]

I'm still waiting for the blimp to fly over restricted airspace and get shot down.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

ETA: And eli, sorry, it's just never going to happen...

Originally Posted by eli_the_chopper

what? the topic getting back on track or the Republican party returning to fiscal conservatism? If you're talking about the latter, then I hope the Republican party gets stomped next year, which will happen.

I was referring to this point:

Originally Posted by eli_the_chopper

they ... have to nominate Ron Paul

ETA: LOL, GP, I can just picture the blimp deflating...

[ADqtPiMel]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

I'm still waiting for the blimp to fly over restricted airspace and get shot down.

Yes, we've been on Blimpwatch 2k7 here in DC.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by eli_the_chopper

And they were saying the same sort of things about Goldwater.

Well, hey, if he's similar enough to Goldwater to ensure the same outcome as the 1964 Presidential election, then I'm all for the RP making RP its candidate.

(p.s., but it's not going to happen)

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

I'm sorry, but I can't take your political views seriously if you have any allegiance to Canada.

I'm sorry what?

Oh I get it you're saying your a nationalistic misogynist asshole in other words right? Got it.

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by eli_the_chopper

If the Republican party wants any chance of winning in the general election, they will have to, repeat, have to nominate Ron Paul because frankly, the rest of the candidates are exactly like George W. Bush, whether they want to admit it or not. And some (most?) are worse.

Ron Paul makes a nice emotional speech, but can you really see him doing any of the big things he promises? Can you envision a United States that pulls out of Iraq overnight and, in the process, makes a very symbolic and somewhat real abandonment of Israel and Saudi Arabia? Can you explain logistically how Ron Paul could eliminate the IRS during his term? Can you explain how the US could go back on the gold standard and have any hope of remaining a leading power in the world economic system?

Ron Paul makes a lot of big promises that sound really nice to people who are angry and just want to throw their fists in the air and say "yeaaahhhh" while they are watching him on TV- but just what could he do in real life? How has he presented any comprehensive set of positions and promised actions that could ever happen?

As for who gets the nomination, if it is not a worthy candidate- then Hillary will win and so be it. I would be much happier with someone of her competence and intelligence in office than an ineffective goofball who will give me a replay of the last 8 years.

If you look at state level votes on social issues in recent elections, sentiment on foreign policy and the growing anger with taxes and border control- it is clear the country is very slowly moving to the right. It has been coming since 1994 and is still moving that way. Modern liberalism really got started in the 1960s and it took 30 years for those ideals and political concepts to take root- and they have seen their peak.

If the GOP cannot put forth a good candidate- then that is our bad and we deserve to lose. And by losing we will hopefully get through this identity crisis a bit sooner and start focusing on fiscal issues and quit getting into social issues which are not the government's business.

In the mean time, give me Hillary anyday over a Republican candidate who can make a good speech- but who does not have the discretion and pragmatism to be an effective President.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by eli_the_chopper

I would love for us to pull out of Iraq overnight. As soon as we can get our troops out of the Middle East, the better off we are.

An immediate pull out of Iraq would create a disaster of epic proportions in the Middle East as neighboring countries became more involved in the ethnic and sectarian violence and divisions... I have to question the intelligence or understanding of some one wanting to be a leader that can't see beyond the domestic impact.

Also, our alliance with SA makes us hypocrites. While we are "making the worlds safe for democracy", one of our closest allies in the Middle East is a monarchy run by the direct bloodline of the first king. Why aren't we liberating those folks too?

So the USA should cancel it's alliances with other monarchies as well? Good luck with that, many folks living in a monarchy would happily take up arms to defended themselves and the monarchy from "liberation".

As for the IRS: historically, we have only had the IRS (or during Lincoln's tenure, the Bureau of Internal Revenue) when we have had an income tax. Since the income tax is direct and not apportioned, all we would need is for it to be declared unconstitutional (it is; the 16th amendment needs to be repealed), and it could be eliminated. At that point, the only income for the federal government will be external revenue collected through duties and tariffs.

Disaster - would mean the canceling of scores of trade treaties and agreements, which would catastrophic effects not only for the USA but the global economy... an incredibly shortsighted and self-defeating economic idea.

Maybe his supporters aren't all a bunch of pot-smoking hippies after all. Maybe they just want small central government, something that 100 years ago wasn't that crazy of an idea, and something that ~230 years ago we fought a revolution for.

Maybe not hippies, but still out of touch with reality if you ask me...

[33girl]

Originally Posted by southernfrat

This may be a political trick but the observations about Hilary are very believable in my eyes. If any of yall have ever seen the Manchurian Candidate she reminds me of the mother of the presidential candidate.

Yes, yes, YES. (Scary Angela Lansbury - watch this movie and Murder She Wrote will never be the same to you) Steve Dunleavy wrote a book in the mid-70s called The Very First Lady - it was complete pulp trash, but HO LEE COW did it remind me of Hilary. I'm not rock ribbed Republican by any means, but I'll vote for the dead rotting corpse of Warren G Harding before I'll vote for her.

At any rate - come on you people!! Vote for Fred Dalton Thompson!! If he wins all his old Law & Order castmates will show up at the inaugural gala in tuxes and JESSE L MARTIN MIGHT SING!!! If that isn't reason enough to vote for someone, I don't know what is.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by 33girl

At any rate - come on you people!! Vote for Fred Dalton Thompson!! If he wins all his old Law & Order castmates will show up at the inaugural gala in tuxes and JESSE L MARTIN MIGHT SING!!! If that isn't reason enough to vote for someone, I don't know what is.

Are you sure the world won't collapse on itself if you vote Republican?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Are you sure the world won't collapse on itself if you vote Republican?

hey sis...I've been registered Republican my entire life. I just don't always vote that way.