Al Sharpton says He will not apologize!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Let me see if I follow: You haven't formed an opinon, because you wait for the legal system. The legal system has made its decision, but you still haven't formed an opinion?

Exactly.

You asked for my personal opinion of their guilt or innocence. Not one based on what the courts have decided. I wait on the legal system for final decisions because personal opinions are pointless. I don't wait on the legal system because it has any bearing on my personal opinion.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Also, if you have no opinion, are you simply choosing to play devil's advocate for those who think they are innocent.

No. The devil doesn't need an advocate.

[shinerbock]

Satan, Esq.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Feel free to expound on the similarities between the OJ trial and the Duke trial. I'd be quite interested to hear about them.

You'll have to do better than that if you want me to engage you.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

You'll have to do better than that if you want me to engage you.

Well, if I agree with you, theres no point in engaging.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Well, if I agree with you, theres no point in engaging.

I don't care if people agree with me.

But I assume you're asking where I'm coming from, which I would answer if I felt you would understand with or without agreeing.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I don't care if people agree with me.

But I assume you're asking where I'm coming from, which I would answer if I felt you would understand with or without agreeing.

Oh well.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

As long as we're talking about Duke...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fYOgC2Qbqh4

And your point is what?

You are right this has nothing to do with the Tread!

While we all have our points, some are not so important are they?

[LegalChef]

Why do people equate Al Sharpton and Don Imus? Someone please explain it to me, because I don't see any comparison. And how exactly are you supposed to suspend media privileges for someone who is self-employed? The media follows Al, he doesn't follow them. Why is he supposed to apologize for someone else lying (Tawana Brawley) or for a white DA playing on a community's racial divide to get himself re-elected?

I never want to see innocent people go to jail, black or white. At the same time, maybe these guys will think twice before specifically inviting some black strippers to a party to racially insult, demean, and ridicule them in the name of having fun.

As for PiKa singing about the "white man's burden," you've gotta be kidding, right?

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by LegalChef

Why do people equate Al Sharpton and Don Imus? Someone please explain it to me, because I don't see any comparison. And how exactly are you supposed to suspend media privileges for someone who is self-employed? The media follows Al, he doesn't follow them. Why is he supposed to apologize for someone else lying (Tawana Brawley) or for a white DA playing on a community's racial divide to get himself re-elected?

I never want to see innocent people go to jail, black or white. At the same time, maybe these guys will think twice before specifically inviting some black strippers to a party to racially insult, demean, and ridicule them in the name of having fun.

As for PiKa singing about the "white man's burden," you've gotta be kidding, right?

ummmmmm........probably because Al Sharpton is a complete racist, anti-Semitic piece of shit. That idiot has made, on several occassions, comments that make those of Don Imus look almost nice.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by LegalChef

...or for a white DA playing on a community's racial divide to get himself re-elected?

I never want to see innocent people go to jail, black or white. At the same time, maybe these guys will think twice before specifically inviting some black strippers to a party to racially insult, demean, and ridicule them in the name of having fun.

1) Sharpton played on the community, toying with people's emotions early on. Doesn't it bother you that people were protesting and angry with these boys, and that they were on the side of the "victim" just because she was black?

2) There is no substantial evidence that any of these boys racially insulted, demeaned, or ridiculed the stripper

3) There is actually scant evidence that there were racist overtones at all. The testimony of the other stripper should be heavily questioned, considering her inability to be truthful throughout the process. The best argument that these boys were racist is that they asked for at least one white stripper, but in my mind that doesn't indicate racism at all. A lot of white guys aren't attracted to black women, so if its their buck, they should get something that fits the uh...purpose.

4) As for the Imus-Al Sharpton comparison, you're right, there isn't one. Al Sharpton has done far more damage to racial relations in this country than Imus could possibly dream of. Crown Heights, anyone? The Duke situation is fairly typical, he comes into a volatile situation, stirs up anger and dissent, and then disappears and leaves a broken community to sort it out on their own. I don't blame him for everything that happened with the Duke situation, but he certainly doesn't help promote peace or understanding within communities.

[LegalChef]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

1) Sharpton played on the community, toying with people's emotions early on. Doesn't it bother you that people were protesting and angry with these boys, and that they were on the side of the "victim" just because she was black?

2) There is no substantial evidence that any of these boys racially insulted, demeaned, or ridiculed the stripper

3) There is actually scant evidence that there were racist overtones at all. The testimony of the other stripper should be heavily questioned, considering her inability to be truthful throughout the process. The best argument that these boys were racist is that they asked for at least one white stripper, but in my mind that doesn't indicate racism at all. A lot of white guys aren't attracted to black women, so if its their buck, they should get something that fits the uh...purpose.

4) As for the Imus-Al Sharpton comparison, you're right, there isn't one. Al Sharpton has done far more damage to racial relations in this country than Imus could possibly dream of. Crown Heights, anyone? The Duke situation is fairly typical, he comes into a volatile situation, stirs up anger and dissent, and then disappears and leaves a broken community to sort it out on their own. I don't blame him for everything that happened with the Duke situation, but he certainly doesn't help promote peace or understanding within communities.

OK, Al Sharpton did not go to Durham to play on anyone's emotions, he went down there to ensure that justice would be done on behalf of the alleged victim. The media had been "trying" the victim from the very beginning of the case as if she was the one who had been accused of a crime. He went down there to defend her in the face of all the accusations being thrown her way. That's all. He didn't go down there to villify anybody or stir anything up. It was already stirred up when he got there. Durham has had long-standing racial tension among its citizens. There were a lot of factors that played into people thinking that the lacrosse players were guilty, such as their less than stellar reputation on campus. There were black and white people who believed they were guilty.

For the record, the other stripper never testified to anything (the case never got to court). Furthermore, a neighbor backs up the claim about the racial remarks. Why aren't more people mad at the DA though? Why is Al your point of focus? When he found out that the DA had prosecuted this case without regard to evidence or ethics, he said on his radio show that the lacrosse players had a case against him. But that's not what you want to hear is it?

What I want to know is how is Al a racist? What have you actually heard or read (in quotation) that he said that was racist?

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by LegalChef

OK, Al Sharpton did not go to Durham to play on anyone's emotions, he went down there to ensure that justice would be done on behalf of the alleged victim. The media had been "trying" the victim from the very beginning of the case as if she was the one who had been accused of a crime. He went down there to defend her in the face of all the accusations being thrown her way. That's all. He didn't go down there to villify anybody or stir anything up. It was already stirred up when he got there. Durham has had long-standing racial tension among its citizens. There were a lot of factors that played into people thinking that the lacrosse players were guilty, such as their less than stellar reputation on campus. There were black and white people who believed they were guilty.

For the record, the other stripper never testified to anything (the case never got to court). Furthermore, a neighbor backs up the claim about the racial remarks. Why aren't more people mad at the DA though? Why is Al your point of focus? When he found out that the DA had prosecuted this case without regard to evidence or ethics, he said on his radio show that the lacrosse players had a case against him. But that's not what you want to hear is it?

What I want to know is how is Al a racist? What have you actually heard or read (in quotation) that he said that was racist?

Do some research. It's not hard to find. Did you catch the Hannity vs. Sharpton debate the other day? Hannity had a huge list of verified statements that Al Sharpton made that are incredibly racist and some that were very anti-Semitic.

Here are a couple I found with ease.....

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Sharpton#Accusations_of_racism_and_homophobia
Sharpton was quoted as saying to an audience at Kean College in 1994 that, “White folks was in caves while we was building empires … We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.” Sharpton defended his comments by noting that the term “homo” was not homophobic but added that he no longer uses the term."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Shar...n_Heights_Riot
A visiting rabbinical student from Australia by the name of Yankel Rosenbaum, 29, was killed during the rioting by a mob shouting “Kill the Jew.” Sharpton has been seen by some commentators as inflaming tensions with remarks such as “If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house” and referring to Jews as “diamond merchants.”

I also liked his famous "Jewing the numbers" rant concerning politics in South Carolina.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by LegalChef

As for PiKa singing about the "white man's burden," you've gotta be kidding, right?

Do you even know what the "white mans burden" was? Where in my post did that shit even come up? I just said I was sick of hearing about blaming whities for trying to destroy the black community. News Flash ----- Blacks are more able and willing to destroy their own communities than whites ever where or will be. Blame the KKK or Don Imus ( who is nothing but a scapegoat) for every hardship or ruin you've ever faced, but the truth is the average crack dealer on your corner has done more damage and destruction to your people and your culture than 1,000 Don Imus's could do.

[DSTCHAOS]

Oh boy.