Man Held in Slaying of JonBenet Ramsay - Page 4

Rudey · #46 08-18-2006, 03:01 PM

I thought the accuracy rates on lie detectors, while not 100%, were still pretty high. And from what I knew beating them was like beating a lot of drug tests, your test comes out hazy but not completely clean.

-Rudey

Tom Earp · #47 08-18-2006, 05:44 PM

Lie detectors have been adjudged not to be admissible in any court.

They are used to get maybe an idea and they can be beaten, ergo, that is why they are not admissible.

In seeing this person and his mutterings and seeing his back history by the media he is suspect of not being the real killer. It may be hyped at first, but when the investigation that has come out, then He is just that a phyco with eye shadow or was that just me?

If one does investigations, there is much more than is really seen.

To call The Boulder PD incompetents, well in reading the reports via media I can agree. I can also agree, The DA there is an idiot who was trying to get re-elected with a high profile case.

For someone who has done this, there is a lot of stange factions that were in place when this took place.

Actually, nothing has ever been proven in any way.

This young little girl was killed, that is a given.

Were Her Parents, specfically Her Mother abusing Her by pushing her is another question.

She did look happy doing what she did as a kid trying to get where her mother wanted her to do.

This poor dumb ass did not do it, He needed some noterity for some reason? Who knows why?

I really get the feeling, that this crime will never be solved.

Kevin · #48 08-18-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudey

I thought the accuracy rates on lie detectors, while not 100%, were still pretty high. And from what I knew beating them was like beating a lot of drug tests, your test comes out hazy but not completely clean.

-Rudey

While we can't use them in court, the law practice I work at uses them for our clients. For example, if the wife alleges that there's a certain piece of information outstanding in a divorce, and the husband alleges that she's mistaken, husband can go take a polygraph test to get wife off of his back.

We also used a polygraph a few months back to see if our client was telling the truth regarding police brutality in his arrest. Our guy passed the polygraph with flying colors and D.A. was persuaded to drop 2 or 3 felony charges and a couple misdemeanors (the cops used those most likely to cover the fact that they beat our guy to a pulp) and reduced everything to a misdemeanor DUI for which our guy did something like 5 weekends in a private detention facility.

So they're not useful in court, but there are other applications for which they are useful.

BadSquirrelBeta · #49 08-21-2006, 05:08 AM

As I write this I am watching a Dateline-like special on MSNBC about this case. This guy is wacked out...I just don't think it is air tight he is guilty yet, though. It's obvious his ex-wife detests him for various reasons, but she is also affirming he was with her that Christmas rather than not knowing where he was. Strange...his first wife was only 13 years old!!

What also baffles me though is the authorities are taking these great pains to extradite this guy and even told JonBenet's mother on her death bed, literally, there was a suspect. The emails he was sending to the professor, well they must say something that only the killer and the police know...as well as the DNA that was found in her underpants. They have even gone so far as to look at messages he wrote in people's yearbooks when he was in high school...early 80's.

He also had some kind of a fixation on the Polly Klass kidnap/murder. (Didn't they solve that case? Wasn't Polly Klass' killer the guy who gave the finger to the family when he was sentenced? Sorry for going astray, but I really think it was that case...)

What freaks me out is all the international travel this guy has been doing. Some of those countries where he has been children might not be "missed" like they are here. Even if he was a wanna-be in the USA, who knows what he was really up to during his travels if he was given the opportunity to "act" on these obsessions/fantasies while in another country?

All I can hope is that there is some closure for this matter. No matter how the public feels about her parents, the pagents, the strange behavior of the parents directly after the murder, etc., JonBenet deserves some closure so she can rest in peace.

BadSquirrelBeta · #50 08-21-2006, 05:11 AM

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The weirder thing is just this weekend on Lifetime was the made for tv movie regarding the case. Since I was a lasy arse all weekend, I really got into it. It was so interesting since some time had past and there was more perspective (for me) and I came away thinking the Ramsey's didn't do it. Though their behavior was odd.

If I remember correctly, that movie was really, really slanted AGAINST the parents (?)

DeltAlum · #51 08-21-2006, 10:28 AM

The Tabloids and cable nets are going to have a heck of a time figuring out whether to lead with Jon Benet or 9/11 for the next couple of weeks.

Maybe we need a good Hurricane for FEMA to screw up...

AlphaFrog · #52 08-21-2006, 10:54 AM

I heard on the local news this morning that the guy got Champagne and Prawns in business class on his way back to the US from Thailand.

DeltAlum · #53 08-21-2006, 11:08 AM

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I heard on the local news this morning that the guy got Champagne and Prawns in business class on his way back to the US from Thailand.

That's sad. I wonder what they serve in the cargo hold.

Marie · #54 08-21-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DeltAlum

The Tabloids and cable nets are going to have a heck of a time figuring out whether to lead with Jon Benet or 9/11 for the next couple of weeks.

Maybe we need a good Hurricane for FEMA to screw up...

They might actually lead with Katrina too, since the 1yr anniversary is approaching.

Marie · #55 08-21-2006, 11:17 AM

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I heard on the local news this morning that the guy got Champagne and Prawns in business class on his way back to the US from Thailand.

Yeah,

Plus he wasn't handcuffed.

I mean we already know he's a flight risk, so why shouldn't he be treated like any other prisioner who is being transferred?

RU OX Alum · #56 08-21-2006, 11:22 AM

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Yeah,

Plus he wasn't handcuffed.

I mean we already know he's a flight risk, so why shouldn't he be treated like any other prisioner who is being transferred?

He's a flight risk? I thought he gave himself up?

Didn't his wife say he was in Alabama, and John Ramesy doesn't know him, and since he's from Thailand, and avoiding jail there, I have one question:

What did he do in Thailand that is so bad that Thailand says you have to go to prison? That must have been twisted.

Drolefille · #57 08-21-2006, 11:39 AM

I'd suspect he was caught in a sex raid.

But he was technically extradited (sp?) for immigration violations, not whatever he did in Thailand. The US can't arrest him until he enters the country. I don't know if they did, but they were talking about flying him to N. California where he already had a warrent for child pornography.

Easier to arrest him for old charges than prove the new ones. A confession alone is not enough to convict.

If it was some conspiracy, I'm pretty sure John Ramsey would still be denying that he knew the guy. I have no idea.

Marie · #58 08-21-2006, 11:49 AM

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He's a flight risk? I thought he gave himself up?

He fled the country the last time that he was arrested. I think you only get one chance with that sort of thing.

RU OX Alum · #59 08-21-2006, 02:29 PM

oh, yeah, I guess that would make him one....do they even think he did it anymore?

Marie · #60 08-21-2006, 04:26 PM

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oh, yeah, I guess that would make him one....do they even think he did it anymore?

I'm not totally sure, but I thought that those pre-existing charges were what they were using as grounds to have him returned to the US and have him held. I'm not positive, though.