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Old 07-19-2005, 11:10 AM
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just finished...

So I finished the book at around 1am last night.

I'm all excited that I get to post my thoughts in a thread I started. LOL.

I'm going to post what I think, then go read what everyone else thought.

First off, I LOVED, LOVED, LOVED the book!!!!!!!

I was absolutely shocked when it was told that Snape got the job of Defense Against the Dark Arts. Never saw that coming since he had been denied the job for the last five books (and technically longer than that).

I've always been so unsure about Snape, which is what I think JK wanted. Is he good? Is he evil? I knew from the end of OotP that he was supposed to be "undercover" with the Death Eaters. So when this book started I was "weary" of what he was doing and the fact that he gave an "unbreakable vow" to Malfoy's mom.

My next comment proves what an amazing writer JK is, if they had been real people I would have been screaming at Ron and Hermoine, "would you just kiss already". They were only characters in the book and I just wanted to scream that. LOL.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm kind of getting annoyed that she (JK) always writes that Ron and Hermoine don't really trust Harry's intuition throughtout the entire book(s) and then at the end when something happens, they trust him. He was saying throughout the entire book that something was up with Malfoy and Snape and NO ONE believed it. They just thought it was an obsession. And it turned out to be right in the end!

I wanna know who R.A.B. is. I spent a few minutes (in between tears of shock) wondering and trying to think who the heck it was.

I was shocked that Snape killed Dumbledore. Yes, I cheated and read page 606 in advance but there was no backstory, I didn't know what had happened. I never in my wildest dreams would have expected Snape to do that. But no matter what I knew Malfoy wouldn't. He basically stated that he had too otherwise Voldemort would kill him and his parents.

I also never expected Snape to be the "half blood prince", but once the background was given, it made perfect sense. I too would have been questioning Dumbledore's motives for trusting Snape (like Harry did).

I really liked the ending. I really liked how Ron and Hermoined stated, without backing down, that where ever Harry was going they were going with him. No if, ands or buts about it. That shows true friendship and courage for what they are about to embark on.

Obviously book 7 won't be about their last year at Hogwarts, it will be about Ron, Hermoine and Harry searching for the Horcruxes. I have a feeling that other members of the DA will end of joining them. The reason I say that is because those characters wouldn't be "involved" in the story if they didn't. I have a feeling that they (Neville, Luna and Ginny are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head) will be the "support" to Ron, Harry and Hermoine's endeavors. Like they (Neville, Luna and Ginny) will be behind someplace (perhaps Hogwarts) doing the research to help them locate and destroy the Horcruxes and then locate Voldemort and Snape.

I think there will be a lot more death in book 7 and it won't just happen at the end of the book. I say that because 7 is it. It is the culmination and let's face it what they are doing is extremely dangerous. Going after Voldemort and Snape and the other Death Eaters. I think there will be quite a few casualties along the path of the book until the end when it will be determined if Harry survives his attack on Voldemort.

So those are my thoughts. I shall now go back and read everyone elses. (I just didn't want to get too jumbled with what I thought and what everyone else thought, so that is why I decided to read after )
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Old 07-19-2005, 11:37 AM
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I just thought about something... at least the DADA teacher "curse" still lives on. Snape was made the DADA teacher, and he went running off and left his position. So now the position is, yet again, vacant.
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Old 07-19-2005, 11:47 AM
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more thoughts ...

after reading the whole thread...

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As much as I loathe Snape, I still think he's a "good guy," so to speak. I know he killed Dumbledore, but I think there was a reason. Dumbledore begging Snape not to kill him seems incredibly out of character...maybe he was begging Snape TO kill him, for reasons unbeknownst to us. I know there has to be a reason why Dumbledore trusted Snape.

I also think Harry himself is one of the Horcruxes.


I never thought of it that way with Snape. But that does make sense.

Also never thought that Harry might be one of the Horcruxes. Maybe that was an unintentional mishap by Voldemort. His soul transferred to Harry by accident when he tried to kill him (after he had in fact killed his parents).

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I'm inclined to believe that Harry's scar is a Horcrux, because of the "only a true Gryffindor" comment from Chamber of Secrets as well as Dumbledore wondering what object of Gryffindor's that Voldemort could possible have placed the Horcrux in.

There's still something very important about Harry's eyes that still has yet to be explained, she usually doesn't reinforce something for no reason and it has been mentioned in every book.


I do remember in CoS that DD mentioned something about Harry being able to use the Gryffindor sword because he is a true Gryffindor. The only issue then becomes, how could he destroy himself to in turn kill Voldemort?

Good point about the eye thing. For the last three books we have been “hearing” from everyone that he “has his mother’s eyes”. There has got to be a reason for that.

I now need to go back and re-read OotP so I can find the part about the locket. Maybe that is why DD did make the huge point at the beginning of the book making sure Harry did in fact “own” the Black pocessions (spelling issues here). If in fact the locket is still in the house, Harry now owns it.

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Also, since Draco was so hesitant about killing Dumbledore, I'm hoping he'll convert to the good guy side.


I think when it comes to Draco that he will either have turned completely to the “dark side” (LOL) because of witnessing the murder, but knowing JK and her twists, it might just be that Draco decides he can’t be evil because of what he witnessed. We all read, that he did not want to kill him, he was just terrified for his own life and his parents lives. He also didn’t believe that DD or OotP could protect him. Maybe he’ll end of siding with Harry because Snape did tell the other Death Eaters to back off of Harry because he was for Voldemort. Harry might end up being a bit moresafe to be with than else-ware.

As for the whole Snape killing DD. When I read it (late last night) I could tell that he was stalling, but I wasn’t sure why. He was definitely reaching Malfoy’s ‘good’ conciousness by telling him that he doesn’t have to do it. That DD can protect him and his parents, etc…

As for the theory about Snape, now that I think back it does make sense. It was extremely OOC for DD to beg for his life when he has always said that death is a part of life. Although as someone mentioned (not sure who know) by Snape killing him, no matter what the reason behind it, the entire wizarding community is going to want his head, so to speak. Harry wants revenge, it’s that simple. He’s not going to understand, nor probably want to listen to anything Snape has to say about killing DD.

I’m drawing a blank here but who is Regulas Black?
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Old 07-19-2005, 12:14 PM
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OK, now the shock has worn off...

I can finally post. I finished at around 4:20am (which is when my sis wakes up to go to work) and had to pretend to be sleeping so she wouldn't ask why I was sitting on the couch in the middle of the night, sobbing like a baby. I just went to pieces, it broke my heart to see DD die, everyone's reactions reminded me of when I lost my grandmother. Everyone silently crying at his funeral brought back all those memories, I couldn't get it together for the last 2 chapters.

But, after I had rested a bit, this is what I can recall...

Harry and Ginny are DEFINITELY reminiscent of James and Lily. Harry is the spitting image of James and you can't tell me Ginny isn't like Lily, with bright red hair and always sticking up for those who're being made fun of (Lily/Snape--Ginny/Luna). They're going to get back together after V is gone and they're going have a long future together I bet. And I don't think there was too much teenage stuff going on at all, remember the primary age group for whom this book is for (and also what age group it's about). Can you honestly tell me that, at 16, you or at least your friends' love lives weren't extra soap opera-ish? Just being realistic to me! I also believe in Hermione/Ron and Remus/Tonks.

I agree, there's no way Harry is a Horcrux, then he'd have to die before V and there's no one else who could kill V, which would prove the prophecy false (unless Harry's the one meant to die, which wouldn't happen, this is a children's book, good guy wins). Kudos to whoever though of Regulus Black, I wracked my brain and couldn't come up with a name.

DD begging for death rather than life makes much more sense. I was still a mess seeing him go, but...sneaky bastard ('scuse me, Lord), I hope Snape turns out bad, then I can go on with the tirade in my head.

Now I've got all my thoughts out, I'll go back and answer with my theories.
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Old 07-19-2005, 12:29 PM
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Ok, I'm back. I think that when Harry goes to see his parents' graves, he'll undoubtedly search out his old home (is that what Godrick's Hollow was?) and that'll delve into his past, what his parents did and the big "revelation" about Lily (thanx, Mugglenet).

Malfoy doesn't have it in him to turn completely evil, but does he have it in him to turn good? To turn from dark power and fight the good fight is asking a lot of this boy.

I've just thought: Is Harry a pure-blood or not? I always thought so since he was born to a witch and wizard, but since Lily's Muggle-born...? Does whatever his grandparents are matter, or just the fact that his parents were a witch and wizard? I just was thinking, Malfoy did try to befriend him on that first day, and he always called Hermione a "mudblood" but didn't say anything about Harry, but no doubt he knows Harry's lineage somewhat...Also, since James was pureblood and they've got limited selection, do you reckon Harry is related to the Malfoys in some way, like Sirius was?

I'm trying to think what the other Horcrux will be, if not from Gryffindor (as Dumbledore thinks he couldn't have got something other than the sword). I need to read it again once I've pulled myself together, I'm still a bit shaky.

Oh, btw, Regulus Black is Sirius' older brother who died awhile back.
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Old 07-19-2005, 12:50 PM
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Oh, btw, Regulus Black is Sirius' older brother who died awhile back.
He was actually Sirius' younger brother.... mundane detail, but there ya go.
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Old 07-19-2005, 12:57 PM
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I've just thought: Is Harry a pure-blood or not? I always thought so since he was born to a witch and wizard, but since Lily's Muggle-born...? Does whatever his grandparents are matter, or just the fact that his parents were a witch and wizard? I just was thinking, Malfoy did try to befriend him on that first day, and he always called Hermione a "mudblood" but didn't say anything about Harry, but no doubt he knows Harry's lineage somewhat...Also, since James was pureblood and they've got limited selection, do you reckon Harry is related to the Malfoys in some way, like Sirius was?

In book 5 when DD talks about the prophecy (OOtP page 842):

"And notice this Harry. He chose, not the pureblood (which according to his creed is the only kind of wizard worth being or knowing), but the half-blood like himself. He saw himself in you before he had ever seen you."

So DD has refered to Harry as a half-blood. I guess that is somewhere between being muggle-born and pureblood.
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Old 07-19-2005, 03:34 PM
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oh when I post my thoughts, its going to be a novel, I have so many ideas and I have to check some facts before I make a fool out of myself.

but I like what everyone is postings, it is triggering thoughts in my head. I also want to re-read the series again, so it wont be for a while, I start tonight!
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Old 07-19-2005, 05:07 PM
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In book 5 when DD talks about the prophecy (OOtP page 842):

"And notice this Harry. He chose, not the pureblood (which according to his creed is the only kind of wizard worth being or knowing), but the half-blood like himself. He saw himself in you before he had ever seen you."

So DD has refered to Harry as a half-blood. I guess that is somewhere between being muggle-born and pureblood.
*slaps head* DUH!!! That was one of the major parts of the prophecy, can't believe I forgot. Thanx, I don't know where my head is.
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One question that I have about the text-book within the story... the Half-Blood Prince's book - if it was Snape's mother's book, then why was it still at the school? why did Snape use his mother's book?
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Old 07-19-2005, 06:01 PM
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One question that I have about the text-book within the story... the Half-Blood Prince's book - if it was Snape's mother's book, then why was it still at the school? why did Snape use his mother's book?
No, No, No....

It was Snape's book, he is the Half-blood Prince because Snape's mom is a pureblood and her maiden name is Prince, a respected Pureblood family
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I kind of have a feeling that Snape left it there on purpose. Maybe as a reminder to him, who knows. I don't think he probably would have expected a student to use the book. But then again if it was so important to him, he would have made sure to remove it from his old potions classroom prior to taking over DADA. Which is why I think he left it there on purpose. I think he wanted someone to find it. I just don't think he ever expected that someone to be Harry.
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No, No, No....

It was Snape's book, he is the Half-blood Prince because Snape's mom is a pureblood and her maiden name is Prince, a respected Pureblood family
But the book was 50 years-old... Harry looked at the publishing date to determine if the book was was his one of his parents, or one of his parent's friends - which is why I personally discounted Snape as the owner up until the end of the story....
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But the book was 50 years-old... Harry looked at the publishing date to determine if the book was was his one of his parents, or one of his parent's friends - which is why I personally discounted Snape as the owner up until the end of the story....
but Snape was "poor" coming from a "mixed" marriage remember. He undoubtedly started out with a used book.
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but Snape was "poor" coming from a "mixed" marriage remember. He undoubtedly started out with a used book.
I was thinking, what if the book was Voldemort's? If he was a year or two ahead of Snape and Snape got his book second-hand? So much of the story centers around the book, maybe it's more important than we think. I'm just trying to figure the ages of all these people. V and Hagrid were in school at the same time, in the same year I think. And Hagrid knew James from school, but did they meet before or after he took up groundskeeper? If not, then wouldn't James and the gang been at school the same time as Tom? How much older is he than they? (weird, thinking of this horrible people being a young man...bit like imagining what Marilyn Manson used to be like) That would tell us if it's possible the book was able to belong to Lord V. Just a thought.
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