Talkin' white

[MIDWESTDIVA]

Originally posted by DELTABRAT:

And yes, we do write the way we speak.

Thank you.

I have seen people write (on this thread alone) "When I talk." or "I talk this way because." The "proper" word would be speak. When I speak...
We are all educated and we use incorrect English (even trying to be correct) all of the time. How about where are the shoes at? Never end a sentence with a proposition. I mean it goes on and on and on. This is not as obvious as "I's be fixin' to go to the sto'" but well, whatever.

I didn't realize that talk and speak weren't interchangeable terms either. Please educate me. That's why I just love Greekchat.


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[blu_theatrics]

Originally posted by DELTABRAT:
WOW!
I do correct his English becaus I believe that it is important for im to understand the way that he is "expected" to speak (i.e. in school/academic/professional settings).

I feel exactly the same way about my son, but do you sometimes have people say that you are to hard on him for that, because I know his fathers side of the family does that to me.....but like I said earlier, they also ssay I talk white and they probably think I'm trying to make him to, I guess.

It's just the fact that I hate to see parents who allow there children to misspeak (is that a word?)

My biggest petpeeve is he/him and her/she
My niece constantly says things like "him not here" or "I want to talk to he" and she is two years older than my son and he even correts her know (which you know starts even more family troubles ). But I think the fact that a four year old can tell this six year old that you are speaking incorrectly should at least let he mother know to correct it. But that just my opinion.

I'm glad someone else feels the same way about educating our children to speak correctly though.

[Miss. Mocha]

With all due respect to MIDWEST DIVA, and DELTABRAT, I still don't get this "write like you speak stuff."


It is literally a conscious effort for me to write to somebody and use the word "gonna", even thought I'm positive that I SAY it all the time, so I don't understand where you all are coming from with this.

Do you mean that if people don't use subject and verb agreement in their speech, they won't use it in their writing?

Maybe I'm tripping, but I don't get how you all can say that with so much conviction, when it seems so untrue to me.

Like I stated, I'm posting this with respect due, and I'm not trying to attack anybody's opinion, I'm just trying to understand. Word up!!! (ok, the last part was a joke).


Miss. Mocha

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[RHOyal-Silence]

i fully understand what is meant by writing how we speak. i have to speak on an elementary level because that is what i know best. my students write exactly how they would speak. for example:
i went home cause it was gonna rain.

now i know that as a teacher i have to correct this, but so many parents reinforce this writing style when they send their children to school with homework looking like this!!

sometimes if we are not told the correct way to speak, it will carry over in our writing.
i am not talking about slang. i am talking about common grammar mistakes.

[MIDWESTDIVA]

Miss.Mocha,

I just wanted to give you something to think about. Why do you suppose some of the words in the following quote are capitalized? What significance does typing in all caps have to the reader? If this quote were being spoken instead of being read, would the capitalized words be spoken differently that the non- capitalized words? If so, how?

Originally posted by AKA2D '91:
You do NOT know HOW I speak AT ALL!

Let me know what you think.

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[Miss. Mocha]

Does my confusion lay in sematics????


Are you saying that the person is writing their post the way that they would say it in that moment in time? Because the example seems to imply that the writer was maybe less than pleased.

Like I would write.... "What do you mean???????" if I were totally confused about a post?

My take on the "write like you speak" comment was that you meant if a person uses colloqialisms (sp), then they write with them, too. Is this not what you're saying?

PS. Boo, you're losing me on the visual aids... SAY IT PLAIN, PLEASE.


Miss. Mocha

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[PositivelyAKA]

opinion: a belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by proof.

after having read the previous postings i conclude that some greek chat members feel an individual will write in the same manner as he or she speaks. other greek chat members do not share the same conviction. both are merely stating opinions that stem from their own personal experiences. it is therefore rude and trivial in my "opinion" to continue to tell someone else that they do indeed speak in the same manner as they write, when they have said that that is not the case. i often use slang and terminologies when i am speaking or writing to certain people that i would not use in a professional setting, it is called adaptation. in the same way it is also rude, immature and inconsiderate to continue using someone as your example when they have asked you politely not to do so. take care

[MIDWESTDIVA]

Originally posted by Miss. Mocha:
Are you saying that the person is writing their post they way that they would say it in that moment in time? Because the example seems to imply that the writer was maybe less than pleased.

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Less than pleased? You are so funny Miss.Mocha.




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[Miss. Mocha]

NOW I GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I'm not yelling, I'm just happy)

I have to be honest with you, though. When I thought you were saying it the other, I found the idea totally insulting. I'm glad to know that there was just a simple break down in communication.

Miss. Mocha

[MIDWESTDIVA]

Originally posted by MIDWESTDIVA:
Mostly I'm referring to general conversation as we do here in Greekchat. If I were writing an article, or a research paper I would tailor it to the reader.

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I feel the need to restate this. I have no problem with receiving criticism on anything I post. However, I would appreciate it, if my posts are read in their entirety before doing so.

PositivelyAKA,

Asked me politely? Surely you jest.

I have already stated that writing is adapted to the reader (see above). On that point we share the same opinion. As for the rest of your post, we can simply agree to disagree.

Miss.Mocha,

I'm glad you understand what I was trying to say. To insult was never my intent.


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[rho4life]

I was bored at work, so I thought I'd bump this to the top.

Poodles!

[NinjaPoodle]

ttt

[Pristine1922]

I've been told this my entire life. I'm bothered more by what it implies. It implies that Anglos are the only ones capable of enunciating and those who are using slang are speaking "BLACK" English. So ignorant.

My voice is also a bit annoying, but gosh darnit it's not "White."

[SeriousSigma22]

This is an extremely interesting thread!


Serioussigma22

[TRSimon]

I guess it ranks up there with people who say that a person of color "speaks so well" because his or her nouns and verbs agree. Since I haven't heard this in a while, I hope that people's expectations are evolving to include correct English. Then again, it could be that no one speaks in such a manner anymore