Explosions Around London - Page 4

Rudey · #46 07-07-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by RACooper
France has a better conviction rate for terrorists than the US does... so what does that say?

Given that quite a few of our terrorist captures are not declared and don't appear in that rate, perhaps that's not the best way of measuring?

-Rudey

Rudey · #47 07-07-2005, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by RACooper
I'm personally waiting to find out what if any connections are made to other terror groups in this attack... as in where did the bombers get their explosives? If the explosives were homemade/stolen locally then it is a lone cell... if the explosives are a little more comlpex then they had to come from somewhere, and this is what I'm interested - the connections between groups and their sources of support (material, monetary, and men).

So for example if they used semtex or some other military grade explosive, then it most likely was acquired from ETA or IRA stocks... the ETA may have provided explosives for finacial support (they are hurting with France and Spain nailing some long operating cells this year), or from the IRA (or its many off-shoots) "decommisioned" arms caches. On the positive side if it was military grade explosives the origin of the explosive will be easier to trace, as most explosives manufactured since the late 70s have chemical signatures left in the residue.

They're all connected. I'm still amazed that nobody is able to stop the flow given how interconnected they have all become.

-Rudey

AlphaSigOU · #48 07-07-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by lifesaver
On another note - while this barbarism is tragic, its somewhat reassuring that the terrorists are still only using TNT...

Wouldn't be surprised if the explosives used in the bombings were Semtex plastic explosives; easily shaped and relatively benign until a blasting cap is placed in it. (The U.S. equivalent is Composition C-4.)

More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C4_explosive

RACooper · #49 07-07-2005, 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
Wouldn't be surprised if the explosives used in the bombings were Semtex plastic explosives; easily shaped and relatively benign until a blasting cap is placed in it. (The U.S. equivalent is Composition C-4.)

More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C4_explosive

Well if it's Semtex/C4 then the explosives most likely came from the IRA weapons caches... which means the explosives originated in either Libya (no bomb markers) or the US (will have explosive markers) - agian it will narrow down the search for the support/logistics network for the bombers.

AOII_LB93 · #50 07-07-2005, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by UKTriDelt
In the case of the French, not hard at all

And you know this for a fact right

? The French have been dealing with terrorism on their own soil for a long time, so before you go making unintelligent statements you might want to deal with reality. Right before I went to live there, there was a bombing in the subway that killed quite a few people, and it was radical muslims that did it.

Just because they didn't agree with our policy on Iraq doesn't mean they don't give a crap about terrorism.

Get a clue people.

Kevin · #51 07-07-2005, 11:01 PM

I live 5-6 blocks from where the bomb went off in Oklahoma City in '95. I heard the bomb, knew plenty of people that were hurt or killed. My father was in the county court house and had the windows shatter in upon them. We all assumed Islamic terrorists then as well. I think that it's jumping to conclusions to say that whoever did this wanted to make a statement about Britain's attack on fundamentalist followers of Islam.

Give the British authorities the time to conduct an investigation before assuming you know more than they do.

PhiPsiRuss · #52 07-08-2005, 12:35 AM

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Originally posted by RACooper
France has a better conviction rate for terrorists than the US does... so what does that say?

It says absolutely nothing. Two completely different judicial systems.

RACooper · #53 07-08-2005, 02:16 AM

Well the stiff upper-lip is still in full force... shades of the Blitz almost.

Watching the CBC coverage of the event a reporter that was actually woken by the explosions occuring a couple of buildings down the street... the images of Brits calmly evactuating, while business continued as usual in the background was interesting to say the least...

The most striking segment was when the reporter walked up some businessmen having some pints by Kings Cross watching the emergency workers down the street - they were asked what they think... their reply was (I'm paraphrasing because I have'nt found a transcript yet): "Why should we let it bother us? It may be an inconvience <laughter> but we won't let it get to us. After all we grew up during the 80s when terror bombings were common, so what's new about this? In fact if this is the worst they can do then maybe Cheney's actually right <laughter>. Besides we have a tradition to live up to, you know the stiff upper-lip and all. Finally if my grandmother was tough enough to survive the Blitz, then we can deal with this."

docetboy · #54 07-08-2005, 02:19 AM

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Originally posted by RACooper
Well the stiff upper-lip is still in full force... shades of the Blitz almost.

Watching the CBC coverage of the event a reporter that was actually woken by the explosions occuring a couple of buildings down the street... the images of Brits calmly evactuating, while business continued as usual in the background was interesting to say the least...

The most striking segment was when the reporter walked up some businessmen having some pints by Kings Cross watching the emergency workers down the street - they were asked what they think... their reply was (I'm paraphrasing because I have'nt found a transcript yet): "Why should we let it bother us? It may be an inconvience <laughter> but we won't let it get to us. After all we grew up during the 80s when terror bombings were common, so what's new about this? In fact if this is the worst they can do then maybe Cheney's actually right <laughter>. Besides we have a tradition to live up to, you know the stiff upper-lip and all. Finally if my grandmother was tough enough to survive the Blitz, then we can deal with this."

That's exactly the attitude one needs to defeat the terrorists. Much unlike Spain, which promptly raised a white flag and threw out their elected officials after getting terror-bombed.

moe.ron · #55 07-08-2005, 04:06 AM

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Originally posted by docetboy
That's exactly the attitude one needs to defeat the terrorists. Much unlike Spain, which promptly raised a white flag and threw out their elected officials after getting terror-bombed.

José María Aznar blaming ETA for the Madrid bombing had nothing to do with him being voted out?

RACooper · #56 07-08-2005, 08:21 AM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
José María Aznar blaming ETA for the Madrid bombing had nothing to do with him being voted out?

See that's what I thought as well... public believing they were mislead about Iraq; and then following Madrid attack Aznar sticking to the ETA attack claims in the face of all the evidence to the contrary only decreased his support.

Besides Spain hasn't withdrawn from the War on Terror (despite Fox's claims

) - they withdrew from Iraq yes, but not Afghanistan... in fact they doubled their troop commitment to Afhganistan before withdrawing from Iraq.

Tom Earp · #57 07-08-2005, 09:21 AM

Kings Cross Station,

that was the tube that I used daily to make hook ups with other lines

Scarry to think about it!

DeltAlum · #58 07-08-2005, 10:04 PM

The guy who used to produce the 11 PM News that I directed in Detroit is now Executive Producer of CNBC, Europe -- based in London. We had dinner when we were there a few weeks ago.

At least one of the blasts was within a few blocks of their bureau.

I sent him an email and got one back saying he was taking a short break, but was out on the street covering the story.

He lives close to Kings Cross, but thankfully walks to work.

RACooper · #59 07-09-2005, 02:47 PM

Following this bombing in London, I have to say that the cycnic in me is now waiting for the other shoe to drop as they say...

Of the six "Crusader Nations" (United States of America, Canada, Australia, France, Germany and Great Britain) named by Osama Bin Laden only Canada hasn't seen reprisals against civlian targets or been the target of a terror attack from Al Queda (or its affiliates).

lifesaver · #60 07-09-2005, 06:41 PM

NBC was showing video clips from a jihad-related website glorifying the attacks. They claimed it was payback for the crusades, which has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. They didnt claim it was for US Military presence in Saudi Arabia, they didnt claim it was from the invasion of Iraq or Afghanastan. They claimed it was because of the crusades. I've known some bitches who could hold a grudge, but 1,000 years is some insane isht.