Flag Burning Amendment Advances In House

[Tom Earp]

Si.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Si.

LOL! "Si" is "yes" in French as well as other Romance languages. But it's the positive response to a negative question.

So,

Q: Do you like the flag?

A: If you want to say, "Yes, I like the flag," you answer: Oui

Q: Don't you like the flag?

A: If you want to say, "Yes, I like the flag," you answer: Si

Your appropriate response would be "oui."

/hijack

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by valkyrie
I would, however, go back to visit during Frozen Dead Guy days...

Damn. I haven't heard of thought about him in years. That was a big deal in the local news for a while. Is he still "on ice," so to speak?

(Everyone else will wonder what the hell we're talking about. Up to you to explain it.)

[bekibug]

Originally posted by KSig RC
I'm 60% drunk and won't be in the office until Tuesday (thanks patent litigation!), but I would all but guarantee that this section has two important limitations:

1 - 'rule or custom' is not equivalent to 'law'
2 - 'display of the flag' may or may not refer to how the flag is to be displayed by official government entities, and not necessarily the layman.

Also you raise a good point with regard to the involvement of Congress, but the reality is that the only way Congress can circumvent this sort of restriction is through the amendment process . . . which is what they're doing. So essentially they're superceding this policy.

Separation of powers and all that.

I see. Where I got "US Flag Code is Law" is here:

I see. About 1, I found this online at http://www.usflag.org.

A few minor changes were made a year later during the Flag Day 1924 Conference. It was not until June 22, 1942 that Congress passed a joint resolution which was amended on December 22, 1942 to become Public Law 829; Chapter 806, 77th Congress, 2nd session. Exact rules for use and display of the flag (36 U.S.C. 173-178) as well as associated sections (36 U.S.C. 171) Conduct during Playing of the National Anthem, (36 U.S.C. 172) the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, and Manner of Delivery were included.

[sugar and spice]

Now I don't really have any strong feelings on this the way I do on some other forms of limitation of free speech, but I guess I just don't really GET it. Burning the flag is a non-violent form of protest. By banning flag-burning, you're not changing the protester's opinions about our country in any way (or at least not any way for the positive). It doesn't accomplish anything -- except to maybe make the protester more angry, only now his way of burning off steam will take a different turn, perhaps one that is now uglier or more violent.

And I agree with valkyrie -- anybody with a little creativity can think of at least ten ways to decimate a flag that don't involve flames at all. Why is burning so much worse than any of the rest of them that we all need a law to protect ourselves from it?

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by bekibug
I see. Where I got "US Flag Code is Law" is here:

I see. About 1, I found this online at http://www.usflag.org.

A few minor changes were made a year later during the Flag Day 1924 Conference. It was not until June 22, 1942 that Congress passed a joint resolution which was amended on December 22, 1942 to become Public Law 829; Chapter 806, 77th Congress, 2nd session. Exact rules for use and display of the flag (36 U.S.C. 173-178) as well as associated sections (36 U.S.C. 171) Conduct during Playing of the National Anthem, (36 U.S.C. 172) the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, and Manner of Delivery were included.

again, it's a law that the president can make the rules or customs pertaining to the flag...

[Rio_Kohitsuji]

Yes, those are vibrators.


My personal fav.

Mods, if the last image is too much, just edit my post.

[Tom Earp]

No, there are ways to Display the Flag. Kid Rock did a sh*t Job at the NFL 1/2 Time and I was pissed.

But since so many are against it, I will take down My Flag Pole and Flag

I want to try to get along!

It is out of Respect to The Men and Women who fought and Died for What That Flag Means!

[Tom Earp]

The 3/4 Viet Nam Wall is In KC, Ks. I went to see it with My Best Friends Wife as He was working Security there.

I figured I would never be able to see the original in Washington, DC. So, I felt a need to go see it.

I am sure that many have seen pictures of THe Wall. But to walk by it and see the Names of 58,000 + etched on the Black Granite is very touching. I know I got misty eyes and did not know a one of them. But these Brave Men and Women are remembered for what they did for our Country.

There was also a special Pictorial of People from Kansas Killed and a Pictorial of those lost in Iraq.

I also agree in a sense that there is no need for a Legislative Amendment, But there needs something to be done for Showing Respect.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
The 3/4 Viet Nam Wall is In KC, Ks. I went to see it with My Best Friends Wife as He was working Security there.

I figured I would never be able to see the original in Washington, DC. So, I felt a need to go see it.

I am sure that many have seen pictures of THe Wall. But to walk by it and see the Names of 58,000 + etched on the Black Granite is very touching. I know I got misty eyes and did not know a one of them. But these Brave Men and Women are remembered for what they did for our Country.

There was also a special Pictorial of People from Kansas Killed and a Pictorial of those lost in Iraq.

I also agree in a sense that there is no need for a Legislative Amendment, But there needs something to be done for Showing Respect.

Tom I'm going to have to go with the saying "you can't legislate respect" - for a more lasting and meaningful respect for the symbols of a nation, people need to be educated. This is borrowing from a debate that briefly appeared up here about similar legislation... until the Queen stated that 'education not legislation can only endear true respect, for the meaning and spirit that the regalia and symbols of the Canadian history and nation' (paraphrased).

Personally I have always held the belief that a return to "civics leasons" should be re-examined - instead of being told of what the symbols mean; and what sacrifices are represented by those symbols - students should be allowed a more personal experience...

[Tom Earp]

Originally posted by RACooper
Tom I'm going to have to go with the saying "you can't legislate respect" - for a more lasting and meaningful respect for the symbols of a nation, people need to be educated. This is borrowing from a debate that briefly appeared up here about similar legislation... until the Queen stated that 'education not legislation can only endear true respect, for the meaning and spirit that the regalia and symbols of the Canadian history and nation' (paraphrased).

Personally I have always held the belief that a return to "civics leasons" should be re-examined - instead of being told of what the symbols mean; and what sacrifices are represented by those symbols - students should be allowed a more personal experience...

Yes, but the problem is not Good Teachers, but those others.

It Makes no difference, granted you cannot legislate Good Behavior, but mayby some form of Morality!

Oh, an OxyMoron as it were.

But if Morality is forsaken, then what is left!

ACLU!

[moe.ron]

Tom, why such hostility toward the ACLU? Seems that you blame them for everything that is wrong with the United States.

[Tom Earp]

No, not everything.

[Alpha Sig Scott]

Originally posted by honeychile
Believe it or not, our little town's AL or VFW do NOT accept flags for respectful disposal - I asked last year. I'm sure there's a good reason, but I don't know what it is.

You could try your local Boy Scout troop. The scouts have a ceremony to dispose of worn flags respectfully.

[ms_gwyn]

Originally posted by moe.ron
Tom, why such hostility toward the ACLU? Seems that you blame them for everything that is wrong with the United States.

so yea, I think I want to open a can of worms.....

why would anyone have a problem with an organization that protects (or attempts to) our civil liberties? Granted I do believe that they sometimes take it to the extremes, but you also need the extremes to find the middle.

and now I sound like a bleeding-heart liberal. When in reality I am a very conservative person.