NPHC life at Howard - Page 4

DSTCHAOS · #46 04-15-2005, 02:14 AM

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Originally posted by ladygreek
Rudey,
I see where you are coming from. But to some people Howard is the best for a lot of reasons other than the general perception of the quality of the school.

For example, my daughter turned down Stanford with a scholarship to go to Howard without one. Why? Because she was born and raised in MN, and we both felt strongly that she needed Howard for reasons that are hard to articulate on here.

Has that hurt her in her career? No. She was highly recruited in her field after undergrad, later went on to grad school at a PWI, and again heavily recruited. She is now on the fast track in a Fortune 100 company. A lot of it is due to her experiences at Howard.

Howard is an excellent University, in general, and it is considered one of the "Ivy League of HBCUs" by many. As with every college and university in this country, the integrity of its students and academic programs vary.

I don't think there's any reason for us to defend Howard in this thread. The topic isn't even about that. Anyone with a grain of commonsense understands what we're all referencing and can see the point CarolinaCutie was making.

I certainly do not think a non-HBCU would be placed under this much scrutiny, as a deviation of THIS thread topic, to the point where people feel the need to respond in its defense. God forbid someone use an HBCU and "best" in the same sentence. God forbid people realize that these things are largely subjective criteria, in the first place, including how schools like Harvard are ranked.

CarolinaCutie · #47 04-15-2005, 03:02 AM

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Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Really?

Hopefully that would be because you saw a (chapter of an) organization that captured your eye and your heart. Not just because Greekdom is "big" on campus.

But wouldn't the excitement and the spirit of Greek Life on campus be a great kick-start to my investigation of which sorority might be my perfect fit?

But thank you all for confirming that we're on the same page... I appreciate the straightforward answers.

DSTCHAOS · #48 04-15-2005, 03:07 AM

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Originally posted by CarolinaCutie
But wouldn't the excitement and the spirit of Greek Life on campus be a great kick-start to my investigation of which sorority might be my perfect fit?

It could be.

In this hypothetical, that would depend on whether you were exposed beforehand and other factors.

I know some campuses where Greekdom is such a "big deal" that a lot of people are burned out and tired of seeing it. At least on the undergraduate level.

starang21 · #49 04-15-2005, 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
She is very on point.

Rudey's just kicking up dust as usual. Then people wonder why certain questions aren't answered on this board.

because they're pointless?

watch out, he'll ignore you.

Rudey · #50 04-15-2005, 11:46 AM

To be the best you have to be better than others.

The SAT scores and 6 year graduation rates speak for themselves.

At the same time, there are gems at every school, including Howard. I don't know your daughter but from the way it sounds, she could be such a "gem".

Overall, I don't see how Howard is the best of the best (and the correlating statement that students at other schools are not better than those at Howard), but I do truly hope for all Greeks, that the best students (the gems) at every university choose to go Greek (including Howard).

I am sure you agree with me.

-Rudey

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Originally posted by ladygreek
Rudey,
I see where you are coming from. But to some people Howard is the best for a lot of reasons other than the general perception of the quality of the school.

For example, my daughter turned down Stanford with a scholarship to go to Howard without one. Why? Because she was born and raised in MN, and we both felt strongly that she needed Howard for reasons that are hard to articulate on here.

Has that hurt her in her career? No. She was highly recruited in her field after undergrad, later went on to grad school at a PWI, and again heavily recruited. She is now on the fast track in a Fortune 100 company. A lot of it is due to her experiences at Howard.

When she rushed Delta, she was turned down on her first try. She knew that having a 3.5 GPA, etc. was not going to automatically get her in the door. That was because of the 200+ in her rush group over 150 at 3.2s and above. And they all, too, had stellar community service and leadership. And at the time, the school set a pledge line limit of 50. So she knew she had to do things to rise to the top of the prospects. (And no, I am not talking about illegal things.) She did those things and was accepted on her second try.

I think this is to what CarolinaCutie is referring.

But it is also true to smaller campuses. A chapter doesn't have to accept anyone if they don't want to. So even the smaller chapters go for the best of the applicants. And if the whole applicant pool is mediocre then they can decide to not take a pledge line at all.

babe'sbabe · #51 04-15-2005, 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by Rudey
To be the best you have to be better than others.

The SAT scores and 6 year graduation rates speak for themselves.

At the same time, there are gems at every school, including Howard. I don't know your daughter but from the way it sounds, she could be such a "gem".

Overall, I don't see how Howard is the best of the best (and the correlating statement that students at other schools are not better than those at Howard), but I do truly hope for all Greeks, that the best students (the gems) at every university choose to go Greek (including Howard).

I am sure you agree with me.

-Rudey

Is he for real????!!!

Rudey · #52 04-15-2005, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by babe'sbabe
Is he for real????!!!

How am I wrong?

The scores do not speak for themselves?

Are some schools not better than some? You all claimed that Howard was better than all and I wanted to know why given those scores. I'm sure I and others are interested in why our schools are not as good as Howard.

Babe relax and talk with me if you feel different.

-Rudey

DSTCHAOS · #53 04-15-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
You all claimed that Howard was better than all and I wanted to know why given those scores. I'm sure I and others are interested in why our schools are not as good as Howard.

DSTCHAOS · #54 04-15-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by babe'sbabe
Is he for real????!!!

Unfortunately.

DSTCHAOS · #55 04-15-2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
The SAT scores and 6 year graduation rates speak for themselves.

What are they saying then?

The Truth · #56 04-15-2005, 12:19 PM

There is nothing smart about having the ability to take an individual's words and change what they were saying to fit into your personal one-sided argument. Clever, but not smart.

DSTCHAOS · #57 04-15-2005, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by The Truth
There is nothing smart about having the ability to take an individual's words and change what they were saying to fit into your personal one-sided argument. Clever, but not smart.

"Clever" is too generous. I would use the phrase "deliberate and humorous."

Rudey · #58 04-15-2005, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by The Truth
There is nothing smart about having the ability to take an individual's words and change what they were saying to fit into your personal one-sided argument. Clever, but not smart.

"Best of the best" has one meaning. And what argument?

I am still of the conviction that Howard students do have some gems while not the best and hope that the Greeks on the campus are the gems (as I do with all schools).

Anyway, here's a question for all the wonderful BGLO folk that might know how Howard recruitment works: Who sets the limit on chapter size? Is it known? Is it a national policy?

-Rudey
--Relax sweetums

BlueReign · #59 04-15-2005, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by BlueReign
I don't understand your logic.

Carolina Cutie, you are pretty much on point.

I said I didn't understand your logic, Rudey. Actually I did. I knew when you first posted about the "overachievers" where you were going with this.

What I don't understand is why are you the way you are? Nobody said that Howard was better. What was said is that the greek organizations picks the best of the best AT HOWARD!

Why do you post questions the way you do?

The original question has been answered. We shouldn't be debating about the quality of students at Howard.

Rudey · #60 04-15-2005, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by BlueReign
I said I didn't understand your logic, Rudey. Actually I did.

Well liar, liar pants on fire?

Anyway, at that point I wasn't really building any sort of case; I was just asking about someone else's words.

-Rudey
--You should take comfort in the fact that men and women of all types of GLOs have taken issue with the way that I post.