Princeton's Attitude

[Rudey]

Originally posted by 33girl
Way to show support of your fellow Greeks - by accusing them of throwing out their chapter standards.

And as far as alums from top tier schools being more effective leaders on a national level and making the GLO "better" - well, we just saw an alum from a top tier school basically saying she wouldn't give a shit if her school's whole system croaked. Would you pick her for an alum position over someone who went to Western Illinois simply because she went to Brown? (Munchkin, this is not picking on you - just using a very apropos example) Maybe this is true of fraternities, but it's not true of sororities.

I think people care if the system croaks and I think they would be supportive, but I don't know alumni of too many schools that think that greek life is the end all, be all of their undergraduate experience.

Truthfully, I don't know what it's like to tail-gate, I don't know how it feels being with all your alumni in the same stadium and using the same cheer, and I also don't know what it's like to be in a huge 200 man chapter and have so much of my student life center around being Greek. Thus my experience and loyalty, as it is for many others, is to the school.

Regarding grades at the chapter, I have a feeling that people won't push them as much at a school like Princeton. It's not saying that the standard should be thrown out, but perhaps GPA plays less of a role on this campus and perhaps there already is a standard - entrace into the school. But then again, I'm not in a sorority and I don't know if these are things you girls do at every chapter across the nation.

-Rudey

[33girl]

Oh Rudey, I completely understand what you and Munchkin are saying. I think it's the same concept of feeling more for your chapter than the sorority/fraternity as a whole. I was just pointing out the fallacy that solely because someone comes from a school with higher admission standards, they will improve the GLO as a whole. That's kind of like if someone gets a high school coaching position simply because they played at Penn State instead of, say, Clarion. Just because Penn State is in the Big 10 doesn't mean the person will know their ass from their elbow as far as motivating and directing kids.

[breathesgelatin]

My chapter usually has the #1, #2 or #3 GPA in Pi Phi every term and we usually battle it out with the chapters at Stanford and Yale for that. I'm trying to remember if the Princeton chapter's grades are listed in the Arrow. I feel like they are maybe.

Anyway, the above shows that chapters at the elite Universities usually have better grades anyway. Maybe that's grad inflation, but who knows?

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by 33girl
Way to show support of your fellow Greeks - by accusing them of throwing out their chapter standards.

Thanks for putting words in mouth. I'm not suggesting that GLOs at schools like Princeton are throwing out chapter standards. I do believe that GPA and membership rules are superfluous because, as Rudey pointed out, the school's admissions office (as well as the campus culture) has already taken care of these concerns. These standards are implicit, and don't need oversight.

[gogoaphi]

Originally posted by Janerz222
Diamond Delta,

-As an alumna, I've had some peripheral involvement with Santa Clara - their Greek system is relatively-recently "unrecognized". They have a FABULOUS volunteer alumna Panhellenic adviser. I wish I could remember which NPC she's an alumna of (not one of the 3 with chapters currently at Santa Clara) because she has done a tremendous job, just because it was there to be done and she wanted to help.

I have VERY direct involvement with Santa Clara and our TRULY REMARKABLE VOLUNTEER Panhellenic Advisor is a member of Delta Delta Delta! She's really been an integral part of our being able to build a cooperative and thriving greek community in Santa Clara!!!

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Could not help myself but send a response to the Editor in The Greek Bashing as it were.


Regarding 'Letters to the Editor' (Friday, September 17, 2004):

I for one having been a member of the Greek community for 40 years am appaled at the blatant disregard of the good that Greek Organizations do for not only the members of each, but the Campus and charitable organizations of the commumity.

It seems That Princeton holds itself above many great Institutions that have began a change on their campi with regards to Greeks.

Does Princeton deem to hold itself in higher esteem than many other finer Colleges of Education?

Does Princeton feel that the only thing to be derived from College is grades and a diploma alone?

What Greek Organizations do create is create organizational skills, running and operating a group of people much as running a business or interacting with people after College.

The bonds made in Greek Organizations are much stronger than any College bonds can ever be.

Thomas G. Earp
Lambda Chi Alpha
Lambda Chi Chapter # 1


Maybe they ought to call Princeton Snob U?

God, Ostriches dont have their heads so far down in the sand.

I don't think P-ton is going to be very impressed by your English and Grammatical skills, Earp.

I go to Snobby Catholic U.

[Peaches-n-Cream]

Originally posted by Munchkin03
Well, chances are the Ivy alum won't go out for a major alum position.

An Ivy alumna is quite involved with my sorority in both our local alumnae association and internationally.

[Munchkin03]

Originally posted by Peaches-n-Cream
An Ivy alumna is quite involved with my sorority in both our local alumnae association and internationally.

That's why I said, "chances are."

In my experience, which comes from not only being a collegiate at an Ivy chapter, but having helped out with another, there is not nearly as much alumnae involvement than at other schools.

But, what do I know?

[Munchkin03]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
Thanks for putting words in mouth. I'm not suggesting that GLOs at schools like Princeton are throwing out chapter standards. I do believe that GPA and membership rules are superfluous because, as Rudey pointed out, the school's admissions office (as well as the campus culture) has already taken care of these concerns. These standards are implicit, and don't need oversight.

EXACTLY.

We used to laugh at the national requirement that stated that the minimum to rush was 2.0, and to stay in was a 1.5. Anyone who had a 1.5 GPA would have more to worry about than getting kicked out of their sorority--by that point, they would have been KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL.

Basically, my alma mater's academic standards were (and still are) higher than the national organization's.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally posted by Munchkin03
EXACTLY.

We used to laugh at the national requirement that stated that the minimum to rush was 2.0, and to stay in was a 1.5. Anyone who had a 1.5 GPA would have more to worry about than getting kicked out of their sorority--by that point, they would have been KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL.

Wait.... do some colleges not have an automatic rule? As in, at some places, you're not kicked out of school if you GPA gets too low? Or am I misinterpreting your remark?

[Munchkin03]

Originally posted by breathesgelatin
Wait.... do some colleges not have an automatic rule? As in, at some places, you're not kicked out of school if you GPA gets too low? Or am I misinterpreting your remark?

Yes, we had a rule about that. But, our threshhold was higher than that of our national organization, and I think NPC for that matter. Therefore, the organization's standards were lower than our own.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally posted by Munchkin03
Yes, we had a rule about that. But, our threshhold was higher than that of our national organization, and I think NPC for that matter. Therefore, the organization's standards were lower than our own.

We have an automatic rule too. I just wasn't aware some colleges didn't have it.

I don't know the specifics of our automatic rule.... We've never had anyone have a problem with it.

[Tom Earp]

Hm GP you read my email to them. Oh yes made a copy on it here. Maybe just a snide innuendo for the egg heads? Oh maybe self inguldgent poops of scooper fame?

Well, maybe they are scratching their heads? Maybe they are thinking. Oh, I guess that is not any thing for Those type of Schools, maybe not Holier Than Thou as Yours is, but still egotistical to the same point?

Just give me a good old public school where you are a name not a number as in much larger schools that seemingly having THE PRESTIGE of us poor State Schools such as mine and many others.

A school Degree only gets you in the door, one must prove ones self in the real world.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Hm GP you read my email to them. Oh yes made a copy on it here. Maybe just a snide innuendo for the egg heads? Oh maybe self inguldgent poops of scooper fame?

Well, maybe they are scratching their heads? Maybe they are thinking. Oh, I guess that is not any thing for Those type of Schools, maybe not Holier Than Thou as Yours is, but still egotistical to the same point?

Just give me a good old public school where you are a name not a number as in much larger schools that seemingly having THE PRESTIGE of us poor State Schools such as mine and many others.

A school Degree only gets you in the door, one must prove ones self in the real world.

Um my public school was larger than my private school so good try there. And I already have job offers, so I don't think I'm worried about proving myself in the real world.

I'm just saying, Princeton doesn't care what 90% of this country thinks - and they don't have to.

[Tom Earp]

Fantabulious!

Still stand by if you have not been in the real world, Diploma, gets you in the door, but job approval has to be earned.

What does your public school have to do with anything?

Did you wear uniforms?

Johnny Dares in KC has its waitresses wear them. So and your point is?

It is strictly a White Trailer Trash Rock and Roll Bar in the hip party zone of KC!

PlaZee rest the claws from may already scratched backed. Or backside!