Troy

[WCUgirl]

Originally posted by James
Well when Hecto died, I felt bad for Hector . . .

But I thought that wasa good scene. You could see that Hector didn't expect to win, he had mentally lost before he went outside.

You could kind of feel how bad that must have been.

What do you guys think of Paris running away from the personal conflict with menelaus? Was he a coward? Masculine virtues says he should have stayed and died, but perhaps women would see it differently? Maybe he just took the commom sense route?

I think, like Helen said, Paris is young. I think he was cowardly, but I think part of that too was he was so naive and inexperienced, that when faced with death, his emotions and human nature took over and his instinct was to run. I was a little upset w/ Paris after that scene, but as I mentioned earlier I wondered how he expected to realistically fight Menelaus and win if he had never been in battle before or even seen someone die. I felt that him challenging Menelaus was more of him trying to prove to Helen that he was a man, and that he was capable of protecting her, instead of actually trying to "do the right thing." I think he realized the error of his ways, and as I said I was disappointed to see the lack of character development on him, esp. after that fight and Hector's death, and by him trying to prove himself by practicing w/ the arrows I think was his way of making up for what he had done. His character grew through that and was able to kill Achilles at the end...I don't think he would have been able to do that had he not run from Menelaus and not had Hector there to protect him anymore.

[LeslieAGD]

Originally posted by James
What do you guys think of Paris running away from the personal conflict with Menelaus? Was he a coward?

I think "coward" is a bit strong, but that scene correctly demonstrated that Paris was weaker and not a true fighter or a warrior. He was skilled with a bow and arrow (as we see when he shoots Achilles), but that is supposed to show that he was not a spirited fighter like those who used spears and swords. (In the Iliad, Paris earns both Hector’s and Helen’s scorn for not being more involved in a war he pretty much started).

[Sistermadly]

Originally posted by James
What do you guys think of Paris running away from the personal conflict with menelaus?

Yes, he was a coward -- but in the book, I think was Hector who ran away from the fight, not Paris. If you're going to be man enough to steal someone's woman away from him, then be man enough to stand up and fight.

Punk.

[Lady Pi Phi]

Ebert is wrong.

It's not based. It's inspired. It even states so at the beginning of the movie.

He probably missed that part while he was out getting popcorn.

[James]

If I my faulty brain cells rememember correctly, in the book Paris fight menelaus but Aphrodite (Goddess of Love) saves Paris from certain death. Hector runs from no one.

Actually Hector is more formidable appearing in the books. The movie didn't make him seem an exceptional fighter. And also, the characters in the movie were probably not in as good physical condition as the Greek warriors probably were.

Originally posted by Sistermadly
Yes, he was a coward -- but in the book, I think was Hector who ran away from the fight, not Paris. If you're going to be man enough to steal someone's woman away from him, then be man enough to stand up and fight.

Punk.

[LeslieAGD]

Originally posted by James
Hector runs from no one.

Actually, in The Iliad, Hector shows a slight cowardice when, twice in Book 17, he flees Great Ajax (who is not mentioned in the movie - I think). Hector recovers his courage after receiving insults from two of his fellow Trojan warriors.

[James]

Just like a woman nitpicking on a great hero like Hector I LIKED Hector.

I think Ajax was the Tall greek that as wielding something like a club in the movie. But he stood head and shoulders above most Greeks Around him. Hector killed him with great difficulty.

Originally posted by LeslieAGD
Actually, in The Iliad, Hector shows a slight cowardice when, twice in Book 17, he flees Great Ajax (who is not mentioned in the movie - I think). Hector recovers his courage after receiving insults from two of his fellow Trojan warriors.

[chideltjen]

Sistermadly... I am jumping on your bandwagon. Only I had a gift certificate so I saw the movie for FREE!

Anyway... I dunno. Maybe I just don't get into period pieces that much. But I was ready to fall asleep. And Orlando was kind of a pansy in the movie. But after reading everyone's responses, I can understand why.
I hadn't read up on reviews or anything about the history of the movie but studied Greek Mythology in school. I kept wondering throughout all the battles scenes... so where's the trojan horse? Luckily the movie wasn't too "Hollywood" and it was included.

I dunno... I wasn't a huge fan of Gladiator when it came out and this movie reminded me of it.

The only thing I was paying attention to was the fact that the cameraman liked to tease all the ladies with all those "close but no cigar" shots of Brad and Orlando. (no pun intended... ) And it was nice to see Orli use some of his LOTR skills. If he didn't I would have really started to wonder. Now I am going to go research the Illiad to see the real story.

[33girl]

All I kept thinking when I saw Orlando was "you whiny wuss, if you would have kept your d### in your pants, none of this would have happened." Word to everyone who also looks at Orlando and says "I don't get it." Eric Bana is much cuter. Brad also looked good, although I've really only started liking him since I saw Fight Club. For years he was also on my "I don't get it" list.

The men in this film were definitely prettier than the women. I wouldn't have put a rowboat in the water for Helen let alone a thousand ships.

I wish they would have incorporated more of the gods & goddesses angle into it, including Eris, the goddess of discord, forcing the judgement of Paris which is actually why the whole war started (it wasn't just Paris & Helen having a one nighter, lol). But I guess that's what "Clash of the Titans" is for.

[cashmoney]

I thought Helen was kind of hot.

[James]

Or if Helen had kept her legs crossed and skirt down.

rrumour has it that Brad had a "Leg double" as a stand-in . . so the lower half shots may not have been him ladies . . ..

Originally posted by 33girl
All I kept thinking when I saw Orlando was "you whiny wuss, if you would have kept your d### in your pants, none of this would have happened. Brad also looked good, although I've really only started liking him since I saw Fight Club. For years he was also on my "I don't get it" list.
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[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by James
Or if Helen had kept her legs crossed and skirt down.

rrumour has it that Brad had a "Leg double" as a stand-in . . so the lower half shots may not have been him ladies . . ..

That's okay, especially if he's as stinky as some are claiming him to be

[WCUgirl]

Originally posted by James
Or if Helen had kept her legs crossed and skirt down.

rrumour has it that Brad had a "Leg double" as a stand-in . . so the lower half shots may not have been him ladies . . ..

I heard this too. He has this weird thing about people not seeing his feet. Did you notice everyone else was wearing sandals and he was wearing "boots?"

[Sistermadly]

This is truly hilarious if you've seen the film: http://www.livejournal.com/users/cleolinda/99710.html

[TigerLilly]

Originally posted by Sistermadly
This is truly hilarious if you've seen the film: http://www.livejournal.com/users/cleolinda/99710.html

"OUR LADY OF SOUNDTRACK SORROW: WAHHHHHOOOOOHHHHH!"


That got seriously annoying during the movie.