unaccredited schools

[shadokat]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
Gosh, I did not hear about TKE burning down the house...could be. Where...is it in CA...did TKE put chapters at sub-par schools?
Which ones were these?

TKE at Bloomsburg University - Pi Beta I think is their chapter had their house burn to the ground and kill three people in 2000. You can read all about it, here: http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ebws112/pibeta/fire.htm


And the girls societies, founded at finishing schools, hardly a bastion for rights.
You know, most of you went to school with your folks footing the
bill, many have not had the work experience nor the joy of working with the less-gifted. Some of you will find that even your
bosses are not as smart as you. And, some will find nothing.
Gosh, with such vituperative responses...we can all feel good.

As for this line of bullshit, Delta Phi Epsilon was founded at a LAW SCHOOL! By five women in 1917 who were in LAW SCHOOL, something that was nearly unheard of in that day.

Originally posted by shadokat
As for this line of bullshit, Delta Phi Epsilon was founded at a LAW SCHOOL! By five women in 1917 who were in LAW SCHOOL, something that was nearly unheard of in that day.

Honey, you know that he'll be the first to say that the story about your Founders in LAW SCHOOL is a MYTH! He was probably alive in 1917, and everyone knows that there was NWIH women could be in LAW SCHOOL. I mean, heck, they didn't even have the right to vote till 1920!

[Tom Earp]

Okay, I agree, Erik Conard is an Idiot!

Does that make everyone happy!

What really gets me, is that He has more History about Greek Life than most of you are old enough to remember!

Can He be wrong, yes He can and He and I discusse it a lot!

But some of the self rightousness is getting a little gregourious and under whelming.

But, I damn sure gaureentee it , He aint far wrong, so how many of YOU newbies can say the Same!????

A Children In Swadling clothes!

I feel good that someone mentioned that they can understand my posts comapred to Eriks.!

Have TKE had Problems? Has any and All Fraternitys/Soroitys had Problems. Do you want me and Hoosier to count the ways???????

We have been there, for a long damn time, how many of you have?

You bunch of mamby pambys have No Damn Clue what it cost to make Greek Organizations Grow!

Is Erik a Moron and an Idiot, yes He is and Thank God, I can call Him A Friend!

If you do not like what I say, you do not need to spread all over the Boards, you may PM me!

You may now climb off of your indignate Horse!

Now, It will be the first to see who responds!

You in or what snot box?? I did not say Biotch!

As The Old Saying Goes, If The FooBird S**ts, wear it or die!

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Okay, I agree, Erik Conard is an Idiot!

Does that make everyone happy!

What really gets me, is that He has more History about Greek Life than most of you are old enough to remember!

Can He be wrong, yes He can and He and I discusse it a lot!

But some of the self rightousness is getting a little gregourious and under whelming.

But, I damn sure gaureentee it , He aint far wrong, so how many of YOU newbies can say the Same!????

A Children In Swadling clothes!

I feel good that someone mentioned that they can understand my posts comapred to Eriks.!

Have TKE had Problems? Has any and All Fraternitys/Soroitys had Problems. Do you want me and Hoosier to count the ways???????

We have been there, for a long damn time, how many of you have?

You bunch of mamby pambys have No Damn Clue what it cost to make Greek Organizations Grow!

Is Erik a Moron and an Idiot, yes He is and Thank God, I can call Him A Friend!

If you do not like what I say, you do not need to spread all over the Boards, you may PM me!

You may now climb off of your indignate Horse!

Now, It will be the first to see who responds!

You in or what snot box?? I did not say Biotch!

As The Old Saying Goes, If The FooBird S**ts, wear it or die!

Somebody translate this into modern English (with correct spelling) and then maybe I can respond.

One of the first things I learned in a law class was that if you make errors in a brief, the judge and other attorneys will laugh you out of court. Nobody wants to read a poorly presented argument full of errors.

[swissmiss04]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
And the girls societies, founded at finishing schools, hardly a bastion for rights.
You know, most of you went to school with your folks footing the
bill, many have not had the work experience nor the joy of working with the less-gifted.

Girls' societies? You must be kidding me. If you want people to respect you and your organization, perhaps you should accord others the same. Many sororities were founded at universities at a time when being an educated, unmarried woman was a very lonely existence. Which sororities were founded at finishing schools? Enquiring minds want to know...
And you really ought not to assume anything about our financial status during school. I for one never received a dime from my parents. I'm sure I'm not the only one in that boat. Will you sit there and tell us that your parents never paid for any part of your education? At all?
I'm sincerely hoping you didn't come on here to make friends and influence people. Your posts are arrogant, rude, and condescending. Don't wonder why some people aren't respecting their elders. You have your answer, sir.

[Munchkin03]

Originally posted by breathesgelatin

Erik, which NIC/NPC/NPHC/MCGLO groups do you know of that have chartered at "shopping mall" and/or internet vocational training schools? Which national NIC/NPC/NPHC/MCGLO groups do you know of that maintain chapters at unaccredited or two-year institutions?

There aren't any.

He is wrong with the finishing school aspect, as well. Many of the women's sororities were founded soon after the colleges went co-ed; a few were founded as literary societies at women's colleges. Since when is Depauw a women's school? Syracuse?

[Erik P Conard]

Well, ladies, we have fairly well exhausted this thread or topic and
you should have a cooperative good feeling about roasting two old men. Not many old alums around who even care about Greeks, and it might dawn on some of you to ask...why?
Tom Earp was not an English major, nor was I in public relations.
Earp is a real good looking guy, and was a dynamic young man
at Pittsburg State...in Kansas. He started a local there, and we'd
loved to have had him in the Tekes. I was the TKE adviser there, and had been the same at the U of IL TKE chapter...from where I
got my masters...in Spanish Linguistics. At any rate, I met Tom through the chapter rushes and encouraged Tom, a senior,
to continue his quest for a national...suggesting a good one,
Lambda Chi Alpha. We did not reject him, in fact, we all helped,
and Tom was an example of the highest and best use. Yes, but
he was a senior and had extremely good leadership qualities, something which would have been redundant in our chapter. So
he hooked up with Lambda Chi. I left the school and completed my PhD. Over thirty years passed, and we kinda found each other, Tom now in KC, me in Denver. It has been fun, we've met
in Topeka and plan to do so again...perhaps with some Tekes of
the old days.
Now we did not enter into this site to deliberately alienate anyone but it is, though, rife with hostile and angry folks. For that
I'm disappointed. The study and nurture of the greeks has been
a lifelong pursuit and the makings of the resurgence of the Greek
movement is a possibility. But, guys, you surely must realize we
have gone through an era of spoiled brats, latchkey kids, and a bit less than civil posture towards the world. I realize that you
did not ask to be born, and had you, permission likely would have
been denied.
My dad died when I was 18, and was a disabled WWI flier. I have
worked since I was nine, and have always paid my way. I did get
a hundred dollar scholarship when I was a freshman in college,
and paid it back fifty-fold. My kids are Colorado college grads, did
not pledge. CU, while heralded as a great party school, has been
a less-than-model Greek community, with ten off now...and musical chairs house-wise. The women's groups have been a real
enigma, some charters pulled when the chapters had over 75 girls. CU does not recognize the Greeks, no housemothers, few
advisers, plus lots of arrests and bad publicity. A real challenge for alums to try to restore a semblance of "fraternity." It is real
tough to even admit fraternity membership in some circles out in
the work force. Ignorant guys interviewing with spiked hairdos
and earrings are a joke...perhaps there is something worthwhile
to come of our efforts...but then, perhaps not...
Now I have a garage full of brag plaques, and have no shortage
of friends. Genealogy, history and volunteer work has been my
forte for many years now...a personal encounter with life.
The sorority movement, according to Baird and the histories which
were submitted by the individual groups, was formed principally
modeled after the men's groups. At Syracuse, DePauw, NYU, Monmouth, some normal schools and other places-- they were intended to be social, sisterly, and useful for the onslaught of the
female going into post-secondary education. Nothing was said that I read..about women's rights, single parenthood, or anger.
We have come a long way.
Now I will go eat worms. I have other things to do, and other things to say to other people.

[Kevin]

Erick, what you have to say is some interesting stuff.

As for Central Oklahoma, understand we've changed a great deal in 30 years. Still a lot of commuters, but many new dorms and facilities for on-campus students. I wouldn't call it a "commuter school" as I would have probably called it just 10 years ago.

This thread, if anything proves that GLO's have done a lot of changing with the times. I think in some respects, we have suffered because of it, in other cases, it has helped us grow and survive. At my "commuter school", there are chapters of 80+ and 60+ men. The sororities are all 65+ (except for one). The administration believes that an active Greek system can help to change people's mindset as to what UCO is. We have become the school's extremely visible resident population, for better or worse.

[Tom Earp]

ktsnake, what you just said shows how Colleges out side of "The Old Line" schools have evolved!

Back when, there were Normal Schools or Teachers Colleges where Women were not allowed. Oh, then they were because a woman could teach. Many have evolved into full blown Universitys and continue to grow as they always will as some of the Old Line Schools are getting cost prohibitive!

Erik, if you dont mind, I would like as some said pull my head out of your ass! Fine Upstanding College Kids one and all!

Education is not just as We say in this part of the world, "Book Larnen"! But there are a few who do not have a clue. Know what I mean?


Erik, if I may be your biggest booster, this Post was one of the finest.

Some of your ways and educationl threads grate some, but those who can read and interpret, see exactly what you are saying!

For The Younger Generation, live and learn, amazing how right these post may become.

Oh, and for the rest, name me a Greek Organization that has not gotten in trouble for one reason or another at some campus or another

We as Greeks are our own worst enemies! Just ask HOOSIER who is continually villified on GC for pointing this out! He dont do it, The Chapters do it!

[Erik P Conard]

Your post is right-on, and I have been away from Edmond and
the OkC environs a long time. I recall TKE there, 65 men, a nice
house on the hill, without a doubt #1, over all. Then I heard they
lost the house, down to ten men...mostly because they had no
advisement, no active adviser, no board.
Almost all failed chapters are due to lack of a good adviser and a
good board. Field reps, whatever the name, are not trained to
nor have time to insist on each chapter having one...and they apply a band-aid, move on. TKE leads all in this with an overwhelming number of dead chapters, though some were poor
charterings in the first place. We made promises to service 'em
then pottied in our mess kit....but TKE is not alone....
Edmond is the stronger of the old OK teachers colleges. The ones at Ada, Alva, Weatherford, Durant, Tahlequah, all with a greek system, vary from so-so to poor and Goodwell has yet to
jump into the fray. But all pale in contrast to the systems in OU,
OSU, OkCU, Tulsa.
Edmond has I am sure come a long way.
I hope they can get their act together, Greek-wise, and I hear
some good things.
Guys like you are a plus. Good post.

[ZZ-kai-]

Erik, as I have stated many times before, your posts are well worth reading...even if people do nothing but bitch about them. Its nice to hear things about back in the day and how things were, and should be.

Keep 'em coming.

[Glitter650]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
But, guys, you surely must realize we
have gone through an era of spoiled brats, latchkey kids, and a bit less than civil posture towards the world. I realize that you
did not ask to be born, and had you, permission likely would have
been denied.
.

Erik you definitely have some great things to say... and no things aren't perfect.... but things like what you said above are offensive.... Surely you could've come up with some other way to say this....

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally posted by Glitter650
Erik you definitely have some great things to say... and no things aren't perfect.... but things like what you said above are offensive.... Surely you could've come up with some other way to say this....

I'd have to agree with Glitter on this one. The offensive things you say way overshadow any knowledge you may be trying to impart.

I was very much a latchkey kid that you seem to be insulting quite well and I think I turned out pretty well. Not to mention, I'm pretty well devoted to Gamma Phi Beta.

[Erik P Conard]

as one grows older, and realizes there are a lot of things to be
done and little time left to do 'em...sometimes we become to others abrasive. You know, gentle ones, we do not always see ourselves as others see us...hard to accept, but true. And, perhaps we are too damned old to change.
But our intentions are to help you to avoid making the mistakes
we did, to smooth the road...and to preserve what we believe is
worth saving, like Greek letter fraternities...albeit there have been a lot of changes since Mark Hopkins and the log...
We have a long way to go and a short time to get there...thanks, Jerry Reed...But iff we were without results, we'd quit, simply
become just another alum...
But no, we do care. And many of our critics simply have not lived
long enough...and some will continue to complain about the old
coots--us, me and Tom--the English major...LOL.
And, we must keep a sense of humor...above all...But..these folks
--these folks are known as losers. They'll always be around, and they stand in the way of the remainder who are eager to improve things, to better it for the rest to come. Your job, then,
as tomorrow's leaders, is to sort them out, and while tolerating
them--realize that they will always be with us.

[Tom Earp]

Well, UNKY E, you finally came to Judgement for your current Sins!


The newbies understand more than Us Poor "OLD" Farts!

DeltaAlum and LXAAlum are you reading this???

Time is fleeting and change daily! But do they really???

Do Chapters come and go and everyone can pick at each Greek Orgaization on every campus.

GLITTER, I hope there is an understanding now? Dicussion is the best!!!!

Is Erik a cranky Old Fart, Hell, I am here to tell you "YES". He has the only interest of Greeks at Heart!

Yes and as many have had the BALLS to say get your head out of his ass, Bite Me! Not The Right Cheek, or The Left Cheeck, but right in the middle!

Just look at some mouthy posts of some here!

"I Dont want Her to be a member of My Soroity!"



They can Spoon it!

Oh, you are wrong?

Just how do many of you know?

Do you ever get out of your real little world of I am The Best On Campus???

I am for one Proud to say Erik C is a Friend, while not a Brother per se'.

Self importanance on a small world is confining!