Closed/Dormant chapters?

[Tippiechick]

Originally posted by MFC2002


There are about 5-6 old threads about AOPi's colony at Miss State including one or two started by you and a different one started by aopirose. For whatever reason the colony didn't work out. So pulling the plug is better than installing a sick chapter especially in a big expensive colonization on a housed campus. However trying to say now that "technically the colony never existed" is like saying someone is a little bit pregnant. Either you are or you aren't. Just my thoughts.

I disagree. I think that finding out about those interested in BECOMING a colony is totally different than actually naming a full colony...

Your point above about either being a little bit pregnant is a bit skewed... If we use your logic, then those who PLEDGE should be able to call themselves full members of XYZ. Right? They have started the process, so it's one or the other...

But, we all know that even though you pledge or become a New Member, it DOES NOT mean you are a fully initiated member. So, just because interest in a colony is pursued does not mean an actual colony was created. I think it's like visiting a car lot. You can take it for a test drive to see if it will fit your needs, but that doesn't mean you are bound to purchase the car. (Crude analogy, I know.)

JMO

[OleMissGlitter]

Originally posted by MFC2002


There are about 5-6 old threads about AOPi's colony at Miss State including one or two started by you and a different one started by aopirose. For whatever reason the colony didn't work out. So pulling the plug is better than installing a sick chapter especially in a big expensive colonization on a housed campus. However trying to say now that "technically the colony never existed" is like saying someone is a little bit pregnant. Either you are or you aren't. Just my thoughts.

http://forums.greekchat.com/gcforums...ppi+state+aopi

http://forums.greekchat.com/gcforums...ppi+state+aopi

http://www.ur.msstate.edu/news/stories/2003/aopi.asp

But it technically was not a colony. A colony has meetings, colony badges, colony recognization, they never had that...yes I did start some threads....It was not a colony....

[Tippiechick]

33 girl, we must be on the same wavelength. I think I was typing as you were posting LOL.

[OleMissGlitter]

TippieChick and 33Girl, at least ya'll understood what I meant....

Thanks

[Glitterkitty]

Originally posted by dzandiloo
Several people have already said that # of closures is not necessarily indicative of an unstable membership program within an org.... We all know there are many factors that cause chapter closures--but to me, it's more interesting to note the number of schools who have lost more than one chapter in the last few years --what does that say about the strength of the Greek systems/environment at those schools? Again, I know there are many factors involved here, but it's something to ponder...although we already have seen examples of the posted list being inaccurate, I was surprised about a few of the schools that appeared to have more than one closing in that short period:

Arizona State(2)
Clemson (2)
Cornell (2)
Embry-Riddle (2)
Frostburg State (2)
Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts (2)
Miami (3)...I wasn't sure if this was a combo of Miami of Ohio and Miami or not....
Michigan State (3)
SUNY Oneonta (2)
Syracuse (2)
UNC-Chapel Hill (2)

Just wanted to add that Florida State University lost TWO sororities in the same year (1999 I believe)-Sigma Kappa and Tri-Sigma. I heard that either KKG or AGD was next. But I just looked at their websites and thoe girls look like they are doing just fine. Plus a great friend of mine was a KKG there and they were constantly winning awards. Anyway..... yeah-losing two in one year-nasty. They had bid beautiful houses and from what I've been told by some DZ and ZTA friends-they were really good girls. FSU is a huge Greek school too. I would have thought they'd be expanding, not closing chapters. AXiD left there a few years ago too. Very sad, all great chapters.

[33girl]

Originally posted by Tippiechick
33 girl, we must be on the same wavelength. I think I was typing as you were posting LOL.

It is the Farmville Four connection.

[PKTKKG]

Originally posted by dzandiloo
Again, I know there are many factors involved here, but it's something to ponder...although we already have seen examples of the posted list being inaccurate, I was surprised about a few of the schools that appeared to have more than one closing in that short period:

Arizona State(2)
Clemson (2)
Cornell (2)
Embry-Riddle (2)
Frostburg State (2)
Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts (2)
Miami (3)...I wasn't sure if this was a combo of Miami of Ohio and Miami or not....
Michigan State (3)
SUNY Oneonta (2)
Syracuse (2)
UNC-Chapel Hill (2)

The University of South Carolina has also lost two chapters since 2000. Theta in 2001 and DG in 2003. And we are expanding this fall with Gamma Phi Beta. Am I the only one who thinks this is messed up? I would have preferred to see DG stay vs. expanding.

[Sister Havana]

IU lost several sororities in the 90s (Alpha Sigma Alpha, Sigma Sigma Sigma, Sigma Kappa, and Alpha Omicron Pi), but AOPi recolonized in 2000 and IU hasn't lost any sororities since.

IU has lost loads of fraternities in the last few years...Theta Chi, Sigma Alpha Epsilon, Pi Kappa Alpha, Sigma Phi Epsilon, and Delta Chi are the ones I can think of offhand. Beta Theta Pi was gone for a few years but just recolonized.

[aopirose]

OleMissGlitter, I think that MOST people understand what we are talking about. We started a “colonization process" but a “colony” never developed. Perhaps, my thread title should have included the word “Potential” but I didn't feel like typing that that.

BTW - 33, your post had me rolling.

[exlurker]

breathesgelatin, your post that started the thread had some "??" next to chapters, indicating that your info didn't indicate where they were. So:


Illinois Gamma -Carthage College (1882-1888)

Iowa Delta - Burlinton IA 1881-1885

Iowa Epsilon - East Iowa Normal 1881-1892

Nebraska Alpha - Nebraska Methodist, York NE, 1884-1892 (originally Chi of I.C. Sorosis)

Ohio Gamma - Wooster 1910-1913 (Greek life banned)

[breathesgelatin]

Originally posted by exlurker
breathesgelatin, your post that started the thread had some "??" next to chapters, indicating that your info didn't indicate where they were. So:


Illinois Gamma -Carthage College (1882-1888)

Iowa Delta - Burlinton IA 1881-1885

Iowa Epsilon - East Iowa Normal 1881-1892

Nebraska Alpha - Nebraska Methodist, York NE, 1884-1892 (originally Chi of I.C. Sorosis)

Ohio Gamma - Wooster 1910-1913 (Greek life banned)

ooh thank you!

[greeklawgirl]

Originally posted by dzandiloo
to me, it's more interesting to note the number of schools who have lost more than one chapter in the last few years --what does that say about the strength of the Greek systems/environment at those schools? Again, I know there are many factors involved here, but it's something to ponder...although we already have seen examples of the posted list being inaccurate, I was surprised about a few of the schools that appeared to have more than one closing in that short period

You read my mind! When I see several chapters closing within a one or two year timespan, that sets off loud warning bells in my head about the Greek system--especially about the wisdom of opening the campus up to NPC extension.

[AEPhiSierra]

but chapters don't always close for numbers. if a chapter closes for risk management issues they will probably be replaced quickly if the national doesn't want to or isn't allowed to recolonize. You see this with fraternities all the time.

Knowing how the SUNY's operate and the popularity of AEPhi (I never heard the story of our chapter up there) and SDT in New York state I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of the chapters closed at Oneonta were b/c of hazing or risk management.

[Sister Havana]

ASA, Tri-Sigma and Sigma Kappa at IU closed because of numbers.

I think AOPi was closed for hazing but they're back now.

All the fraternities I listed were closed for hazing/risk management reasons.

[aphibeach]

both Phi Mu and Delta Zeta (currently a colony) have colonized

sorry i'm late on this......speaking about Wake Forest University....yes, Delta Zeta has colonized onto the campus in the past year but Phi Mu was not one of the 4 options to colonize (it was Alpha Phi, Delta Zeta, Zeta Tau Alpha, and another chapter....i'm having a brain fart right now, i apologize)

Phi Mu was not chosen to colonize, nor were they invited to present on campus