What about small NPC's?

[SoCalGirl]

Originally posted by aopinthesky
>>>> At no time, though, should a group of women get to band together and tell a campus when it is time for a new sorority.

Isn't that what many founders did??? Isn't that exactly what happened in Macon and Farmville; at Syracuse, Monmouth and Barnard College.

[Cluey]

Originally posted by bruinaphi
Congratulations! Since you said you are headed west I assume this is the Embry Riddle in Arizona. Is that correct?

Laura

Actually, ERAU is in Daytona Beach, FL.

Hope that helps

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by Cluey
Actually, ERAU is in Daytona Beach, FL.

Hope that helps

Actually, its in both Daytona Beach, Fl, and in Prescott, Az. They have two campuses; http://www.erau.edu

Also, if you look at the AST web site, the colony is at the Prescott campus.

[Cluey]

Originally posted by russellwarshay
Actually, its in both Daytona Beach, Fl, and in Prescott, Az. They have two campuses; http://www.erau.edu

Also, if you look at the AST web site, the colony is at the Prescott campus.

Wow! I never knew that they had 2 campuses. The recruiters they send to us never mentioned that at all. I stand corrected.

[MoxieGrrl]

I was thinking about this lately....


My alma matter is currently throwing around the idea of expanding for a fourth sorority to take the place of Kappa Delta (as if they could ). I know the name Chi O had been tossed around in Panhellenic meetings over the past year, whether or not Chi O has been approached, I do not know. A good friend and sister of mine suggested that my campus look more towards the "smaller" sororities. Basically, this is a fantastic idea in my opinion. My understanding is a lot of what is holding back smaller orgs is money. So, a campus like mine, money is not really important because upstart costs would be low. You would be dealing with a chapter of 50 girls, max. Housing is not a problem because an on-campus, college-regulated house is provided for Greek orgs. We're in WV, which is not tremendously far from Pennsylvania. In my mind, it could and should work.

So the question is...how do I, as member that is not affliated with one of these orgs get the word out to our Panhell? Kind of propose the idea without making it seem like I'm representing these organizations. (Although if you could arrage a kickback from ASA, 33girl, it would be much appreciated. j/k ) Quite honestly, I do not think that our Panhell would ever consider this possibility on their own.

[aopinthesky]

Originally posted by SoCalGirl
Isn't that what many founders did??? Isn't that exactly what happened in Macon and Farmville; at Syracuse, Monmouth and Barnard College.

You are right, they did, but I was speaking about present-day and NPC groups in particular. I don't see a problem if a group of women want to start a local sorority and grow from there, but I stand by what I said (maybe it wasn't all that clear) that a group should not be able to form and dictate to a campus Panhellenic when a new NPC group should come to campus. That is an individual campus Panhellenic decision.

[kddani]

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Originally posted by MoxieGrrl
My alma matter is currently throwing around the idea of expanding for a fourth sorority to take the place of Kappa Delta (as if they could ). I know the name Chi O had been tossed around in Panhellenic meetings over the past year, whether or not Chi O has been approached, I do not know. A good friend and sister of mine suggested that my campus look more towards the "smaller" sororities. Basically, this is a fantastic idea in my opinion.

Mine too! I think a smaller national group would probalby suit the campus even better. IMO, some of the larger national groups (KD included) don't really know how to handle smaller northern chapters. A lot of times they fail to understand the campus environment and don't understand why things that have worked for their huge southern chapters don't work for their smaller northern (sometimes urban, sometimes not) chapters. This is from my own experience, so no north-south wars. Just stating that sometimes the orgs fail to realize and adequately understand the differences in campuses. If a "big group" could go into this school, if they didn't get the results they wanted, they could easily close the chapter and not lose much. A "smaller" NPC group may be more likely to tough it out.

[shadokat]

Moxie--

If your campus were to expand, it would be the responsibility of the campus to inform Panhellenic of their decision. All of the national sororities not on campus already are notified and will send interest packets. From there, it's up to your local panhellenic to make decisions. If you have a particular opinion, I would address a letter to the Director of Greek Life, indicating what your thoughts are. Not much more can be done after that.

Originally posted by MoxieGrrl
I was thinking about this lately....


My alma matter is currently throwing around the idea of expanding for a fourth sorority to take the place of Kappa Delta (as if they could ). I know the name Chi O had been tossed around in Panhellenic meetings over the past year, whether or not Chi O has been approached, I do not know. A good friend and sister of mine suggested that my campus look more towards the "smaller" sororities. Basically, this is a fantastic idea in my opinion. My understanding is a lot of what is holding back smaller orgs is money. So, a campus like mine, money is not really important because upstart costs would be low. You would be dealing with a chapter of 50 girls, max. Housing is not a problem because an on-campus, college-regulated house is provided for Greek orgs. We're in WV, which is not tremendously far from Pennsylvania. In my mind, it could and should work.

So the question is...how do I, as member that is not affliated with one of these orgs get the word out to our Panhell? Kind of propose the idea without making it seem like I'm representing these organizations. (Although if you could arrage a kickback from ASA, 33girl, it would be much appreciated. j/k ) Quite honestly, I do not think that our Panhell would ever consider this possibility on their own.

[DolphinChicaDDD]

Originally posted by aopinthesky
>>>>If an interest group/local sorority approaches a Panhel about bring on another NPC sorority, the Panhel should not be able to prevent the interest group/local sorority from doing<<<<

An interest group on a campus should not get to decide when a new NPC sorority is invited to that campus. Everyone (especially smaller sororities with fewer resources) will get shot in the foot with a policy like that. While I am a fan of NOT bringing in new sororities when there are struggling ones, there are times when it is warranted (the struggling sorority has not made efforts to improve, for instance). At no time, though, should a group of women get to band together and tell a campus when it is time for a new sorority. There are many more factors to consider besides what that group wants and when they want it.

Ok, besides the point that someone already made about our founders doing just that, I am a person who banded together and wanted a new group.
We did have a struggling group on campus, and as such we were denied the right to expand for a year and a half. We exsited underground, not recognized by anyone expect the other sororities who did nothing but disrespect us. We felt our fight for a fifth sorority was needed, so we persisted. Most of us had tried another group, and we just didn't "find our home" with anyone else. When we were finally allowed to be a local, the amount of juniors who came out for COB proved there was women interested in sorority life, but who just didn't feel comfortable with the other groups.
My point of the story, we actually created such a stir about Greek Life on campus, that more woman came out for recruitment...and the struggling group got more members. Now, they have 35 woman, and cap is 55. My point is, even if there are struggling groups, expansion MAY help that group.


edited to say: If our Panhellenic had been the only people to decide to expand, they never would. The people who ran Panhel (who have since graduated) were the most self centered women. Sorority life was full of bickering, and the atmosphere was dismal. The only reason we have Panhellenic unity was because
1. They banded together against us.
2. We killed 'em with kindness when we came on campus.
3. The meanies finally graduated!!!!

[bruinaphi]

Originally posted by russellwarshay
Actually, its in both Daytona Beach, Fl, and in Prescott, Az. They have two campuses; http://www.erau.edu

Also, if you look at the AST web site, the colony is at the Prescott campus.

Thanks for looking this up. The Daytona Beach campus was open for expansion as well this fall, anyone know what happened?

LD

[33girl]

Originally posted by PsychTau
Delta Psi, Johnson and Wales University-Denver

Huh???? I thought Johnson & Wales was in Rhode Island.

[pirepresent]

moxiegrrl,

as shadokat said, once there is "proper authority" establishing your campus open for expansion, the typical process is that the NPC will put an announcement in the expansion bulletin. Then NPC groups will submit proposals, and then usually the campus picks 2-4 groups to come to the campus and present. then, depending on the campus, each sorority votes on their choice, sometimes with other votes from campus stakeholders.

i am sure many groups will be very excited about the opportunity, for all of the reasons you mentioned before! hopefully there will be many groups to choose from, and since the process can take anywhere from a few weeks to a few months, there is plenty of time to convince people that a smaller group may be the way to go.

again, there are wonderful and unique things about each group, regardless of their sizes. there might be a group that really seems to be aligned with the values of the women on your campus. or another way might be to mention that smaller sororities have a ton of experience with colonizing at schools in "white space" - a campus with a small greek life where there aren't many alumnae in the region.

i loved reading your post, and kddani's too. that's the whole point of these threads - there are strengths and positive reasons to bring EVERY NPC group to campus. when we highlight the ones that extend beyond typical selection factors, the playing field naturally begins to level itself!

[pinkyphimu]

Originally posted by kddani
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IMO, some of the larger national groups (KD included) don't really know how to handle smaller northern chapters. A lot of times they fail to understand the campus environment and don't understand why things that have worked for their huge southern chapters don't work for their smaller northern (sometimes urban, sometimes not) chapters.

i totally agree with this! although i do think that some of the big groups are a little more flexible than some of the others!

[lauralaylin]

Originally posted by 33girl
Huh???? I thought Johnson & Wales was in Rhode Island.

There are a few campuses around the country, with more popping up all the time. I don't know where the others are though. One is in SC maybe? But the one in RI is a big one.

[Cluey]

Originally posted by lauralaylin
There are a few campuses around the country, with more popping up all the time. I don't know where the others are though. One is in SC maybe? But the one in RI is a big one.

There is one in SC, specifically in Charleston. The only other campus that I know of is in Miami, FL, which is home to their outstanding culinary arts program