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Old 10-30-2003, 10:02 PM
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Bethany, I want to buy you a really expensive ring right now to help out the 'economy'
Buy one from me. Preferrably one that costs $30,000, cuz that's how far from goal my store is The FIRST time in a YEAR we haven't made Goal (DAMN DAMN DAMN)!

ETA! I heard too that retail was supposed to have a great christmas, but the last time they said that we did CRAPPY! Last year my store did about $700,000 in December alone. If the mall traffic and spending trends continue I don't know how anyone will have a profitable Christmas!

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Old 10-30-2003, 10:12 PM
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I'll buy a 30,000 dollar ring from you!

It's a benefit any way I look at it...

- Bethany gets a ring
- Economy is helped/tax money from the sale...
- Hootie gets a damned good commssion and love from the boss...
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Old 10-30-2003, 10:17 PM
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I'll buy a 30,000 dollar ring from you!

It's a benefit any way I look at it...

- Bethany gets a ring
- Economy is helped/tax money from the sale...
- Hootie gets a damned good commssion and love from the boss...
I tried to get my friend to buy two Rolexes worth $30,000 and let me keep one of them, but he wasn't buying that. He told me I'd owe him big time, and well....I'm not going there HA HA HA!

So yeah, you come in tomorrow and I'll be there 1 to 9! Buy a bunch of diamonds for $30,000...one for me and one for Bethany.
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Old 10-30-2003, 10:41 PM
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I tried to get my friend to buy two Rolexes worth $30,000 and let me keep one of them, but he wasn't buying that. He told me I'd owe him big time, and well....I'm not going there HA HA HA!

So yeah, you come in tomorrow and I'll be there 1 to 9! Buy a bunch of diamonds for $30,000...one for me and one for Bethany.
Sounds good to me.
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Old 10-31-2003, 12:15 AM
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I tried to get my friend to buy two Rolexes worth $30,000 and let me keep one of them, but he wasn't buying that. He told me I'd owe him big time, and well....I'm not going there HA HA HA!

So yeah, you come in tomorrow and I'll be there 1 to 9! Buy a bunch of diamonds for $30,000...one for me and one for Bethany.
Sure thing - so which Westroads store are ya at?
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Old 10-31-2003, 12:16 AM
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HE HE HE! Wouldn't YOU like to know
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Old 10-31-2003, 12:27 AM
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Hey, it's more you then me...

There are many fine jewelry establishments inside Westroads Mall I could spend $30,000 at...
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Old 10-31-2003, 12:34 AM
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It's definitely difficult to "trust" the numbers when it's not what you're seeing around you. This week, in Detroit, two major employers made disturbing announcements.

Rouge Steel, a major steel supplier to the auto companies declared bankruptcy and announced a plan for Severstal, a Russian steel company, to buy them. Who would have ever thought that a Russian company would be buying out a US steel company? Expected job loss - 1000 employees.

Compuware, a HUGE employer in Detroit who just built a big new shiny complex in the downtown area announced pay cuts across the board. The CEO took a cut from 900,000/year to 300,000/year. Employees making less than $60K per year will lose 5% of their pay and employees making more than $60K will lose 10% of their pay. I don't think their mortgages, heat bills, etc are going to go down so they will definitely not be spending as they used to!

Five of my immediate neighbors are laid off and have been laid off long enough that they are no longer getting unemployment.. it's become a running joke that only the women on our street seem to work. They were all auto workers making 6 figures with overtime and definitely aren't finding any jobs that pay even close to that.

Could the GDP be up because Haliburton is making so much money these days????

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Old 10-31-2003, 01:19 AM
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It's definitely difficult to "trust" the numbers when it's not what you're seeing around you. This week, in Detroit, two major employers made disturbing announcements.

Rouge Steel, a major steel supplier to the auto companies declared bankruptcy and announced a plan for Severstal, a Russian steel company, to buy them. Who would have ever thought that a Russian company would be buying out a US steel company? Expected job loss - 1000 employees.

Compuware, a HUGE employer in Detroit who just built a big new shiny complex in the downtown area announced pay cuts across the board. The CEO took a cut from 900,000/year to 300,000/year. Employees making less than $60K per year will lose 5% of their pay and employees making more than $60K will lose 10% of their pay. I don't think their mortgages, heat bills, etc are going to go down so they will definitely not be spending as they used to!

Five of my immediate neighbors are laid off and have been laid off long enough that they are no longer getting unemployment.. it's become a running joke that only the women on our street seem to work. They were all auto workers making 6 figures with overtime and definitely aren't finding any jobs that pay even close to that.

Could the GDP be up because Haliburton is making so much money these days????

Dee
Are you seriously taking TWO examples and generalizing them to the entire population?

C'mon, that was way too much effort to be a serious attempt at an argument.

I think the GDP is a better indicator of economic trends than two isolated examples
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Old 10-31-2003, 01:35 AM
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Hey, it's more you then me...

There are many fine jewelry establishments inside Westroads Mall I could spend $30,000 at...
I guess you'll have to search HIGH and low and ask someone by the BUCKLE where I work (he he he)
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Old 10-31-2003, 01:47 AM
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I'll start my journey tomorrow...wish me luck, as I hear the path is dangerous, full of distractions such as the Grand Piano and Sharper Image....
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Old 10-31-2003, 11:22 AM
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I'll start my journey tomorrow...wish me luck, as I hear the path is dangerous, full of distractions such as the Grand Piano and Sharper Image....
Sharper IMage has a piano?

Must have changed a ton since I worked there two years ago. We were quickly becoming known for cheap plastic crap that cost $100+
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Old 10-31-2003, 12:08 PM
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Are you seriously taking TWO examples and generalizing them to the entire population?

C'mon, that was way too much effort to be a serious attempt at an argument.

I think the GDP is a better indicator of economic trends than two isolated examples
No, I was simply giving two examples of why people have a hard time believing that the economy is getting better. These two announcements are on top of numerous layoffs and bankrupcies EDS, K-Mart, etc.

Personal bankruptcies are up 24% over last year in Michigan. This area is still recessed and our unemployment has been at 7.4% for the past two months. Things aren't looking up here.

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Old 10-31-2003, 05:15 PM
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Sharper IMage has a piano?

Must have changed a ton since I worked there two years ago. We were quickly becoming known for cheap plastic crap that cost $100+
nonononono....
The Grand Piano is the center of the food court at Westroads mall - it plays itself, complete with keys being pressed and everything...still kinda cool and i've seen it for 10 years...

And Sharper Image's pillows are awesome...
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Old 11-01-2003, 08:14 AM
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found this article in today's Dallas Morning News and thought it was relevant


http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews...obs.27a7f.html


Jobless wonder: Where's relief?
Reports show economy on upswing, but many aren't seeing results


09:31 PM CST on Friday, October 31, 2003

By VICTOR GODINEZ and SUZANNE MARTA / The Dallas Morning News

Patricia Feager lost her human resources job at Abbott Laboratories in Irving more than a year ago. Over the past 12 months, she's sent out hundreds of résumés. She's gotten two interviews.

With school loans and a mortgage to pay – and expenses pared to the bone – she's made a career shift and gotten her real estate license. But that's also proved a difficult path. In the past six months, she's sold just one house.

"A lot of contracts fall through because people are worried about the economy," she said.

Ms. Feager is trying to stay positive but says she's devoting her energy to survival.

For her and millions across the country, Thursday's Commerce Department report that showed the economy growing at a staggering 7.2 percent rang hollow. A Friday report showed consumer spending dropped 0.3 in September even as income rose by the same amount.

"Thank God I don't have any kids to support," she said. "I haven't bought shoes for a year. There's just nothing more I can do to cut back."

Her story echoes across North Texas.

In the Dallas area, 143,000 people were unemployed and looking for work in September. Nationwide, roughly 2.7 million jobs have been lost since the recession ended in 2001. And last year, Dallas lost 55,000 jobs – one of the factors that Mayor Laura Miller cited for the creation of a Jobs Task Force this summer.

That task force met for the first time Friday to discuss strategies for addressing the rise in local unemployment. In attendance were TXU Corp.'s president and chief executive, Earl Nye, and AMR Corp. president and CEO Gerard Arpey.

The task force members talked about bringing more workers into areas such as health care that are experiencing shortages.

They pondered creating new job-training programs, promoting economic development and ensuring that more local students get at least a high school education.

"I'm very optimistic about where this is going to go, especially with the caliber of people that are involved," Ms. Miller said after the meeting.

She said she expects the group of executives and consultants to come up with solutions quickly.

"We don't want to just be talking 10 years out," she said. "We want to see some immediate results from this."

TXU's Mr. Nye suggested a goal of creating roughly 5,000 jobs in the next couple of years – a goal that other task force members called realistic.

"In the short term we should aim to create several thousand jobs for the local unemployed," said J. Puckett, vice president and director of The Boston Consulting Group, which is crunching data for the task force and helping to prepare reports. "In the long term, we ought to aim at having a lower unemployment rate than the national average."

The unemployment rate in the Dallas area stands at 6.9 percent, compared with 6.1 percent nationally.

Lacking a catalyst


But some experts say that if the economy can't produce a significant number of jobs even when it is expanding, those jobs may simply not exist.

"If this economy cannot create jobs when the economy is growing at 7.2 percent, you wonder if it's ever going to create jobs," said Chicago-based outplacement expert John Challenger.

The creation of more than 20 million jobs during the 1990s was largely sparked by the emergence of the technology industry, he said. This time, there doesn't seem to be another industry ready to re-ignite the job market.

In fact, the technology boom of the last decade led to such a rise in productivity that employers don't need to do much hiring right now, Mr. Challenger said.

"I think that the economy has got to catch up with what this technology can do, and then the next job explosion can happen," he said.

Mark Zandi, chief economist at Economy.com, said that employers might be feeling once burned, twice shy.

"There's reason to be concerned that businesses may not act as they have historically because they've been so scarred by the events that have taken place over the last few years," he said.

One of the factors holding companies back is skyrocketing health care costs, Mr. Zandi said. Thursday's Employment Cost Index report revealed that benefits costs are up 6.5 percent from one year ago.

This will prevent companies from loosening the belt. At the very least, he said, it will compel them to continue hiring temporary staff, as they don't have to offer benefits to temporary workers.

"It's not only that health care costs are rising today, it's the expectation that they will continue to go up tomorrow," Mr. Zandi said.

Not enough good people


Joel Allison, president and chief executive of Baylor Health Care System and one of the members of the mayor's task force, said there are thousands of jobs available right now – but not enough qualified workers.

"We're much like the rest of the health care industry, with the need for nurses and for allied health professionals," he said.

Most nursing schools get more applicants than they can accept because of a limited number of faculty, he said. Experts say there's a shortage of roughly 40,000 nurses in Texas.

Mr. Allison said he hopes that the group's final report will include a recommendation to seek increased funding for nursing teacher salaries.

Ms. Miller said health care isn't the only industry where job openings are going unfilled because of a lack of qualified workers.

"I've had a receptionist position open in my office for six months and I can't find anybody for the job," she said. "We've been advertising it publicly, and I can't get someone in here who is personable, can answer the phone in a courteous manner and write a letter, all at the same time."

Holding out


Some job-seekers say they're hearing good indications in the job market.

Jennifer Schuder, 32, lost her marketing job four weeks ago when her employer restructured operations after an acquisition.

With four interviews under her belt and her severance running out, Mrs. Schuder is ready for something to come through. Lately, she's pushed herself to keep a regular schedule, getting up with an alarm and working household projects into her day.

"It's the sitting around waiting that is the hardest," she said.

Still, news about a growing U.S. economy helps her stay positive.

"I feel like things are starting to open up," she said. "People keep calling me to tell me about openings, so that's huge."

But for people like Irving resident Mark Breheny, who lost his job as an investment broker for Guaranty Bank three and a half months ago, the job market feels more uncertain.

"There are a lot of us out there applying for the same jobs," he said. "The supply just outweighs the demand."

He gets online by 9 a.m. each morning to scour job boards, a process than can be frustrating because his computer is so old. He's also working on getting his certification as a chartered financial analyst in hopes that it will make him more marketable.

Positive feedback from potential employers has helped Mr. Breheny feel as if it's just a matter of time before something comes through. But every time he reads a story about outsourcing, he gets nervous.

"It's not just manufacturing," he said. "There are analysts in India who are willing to do the same work for less money, and that really hits home."

Staff writer Danielle DiMartino contributed to this report.



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