Does Abstinence-Only Sex Education Work? - Page 4

33girl · #46 07-30-2003, 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by adduncan
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I'm a little disappointed at some of the comments. It's one thing to disagree with the perspective of a sex-ed program.

It's quite another to start a Let's Bash People Committed to Christianity Party.

Well, I consider it a stretch to say that the judgementalism and hypocrisy of some fundamentalists IS true Christianity...but that's another thread.

Rudey, she didn't say they were ignorant because they were religious, she meant they were ignorant (as in uninformed) about sex cause no one ever told them anything.

Eirene_DGP · #47 07-30-2003, 11:16 AM

I'm against abstinence-only sex ed and I think it all boils down to the society we are living in. As 33girl and some others mentioned, that might have worked when people were getting married at an early age. This is a new generation and people are choosing education and careers over marriage. If I followed in my parents footsteps, I would have been engaged to one of the first people I dated and married in college. Just looking at our economy today, how many of us straight out of college could afford our own house, car, bills, and two children? It's just not happening.

swissmiss04 · #48 07-30-2003, 12:21 PM

Yeah FYI I wasn't bashing any religion at all. I am however, lamenting the sad state of people who take things to an extreme, so much so that they don't truly live their lives and make things difficult for others. I am sorry if someone misinterpreted my comments.

adduncan · #49 07-31-2003, 10:16 AM

Apology accepted.

Let's look at this as an exercise in Words Mean Things--be careful of what you say and how you say it.

If we're all supposed to be in favor of "tolerance" and "diversity", it's only going to work if we tolerate people and ideas we don't always care for.

DigitalAngel126 · #50 07-31-2003, 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by DWAlphaGam
So, what do you think? Are these abstinence-only programs a good idea?

Nope.

IvySpice · #51 07-31-2003, 04:31 PM

It's good to see how many GCers are on the same page about this!

I went to a private school. We had basic sex ed in eighth grade and a semester-long Health class, which included all kinds of sexual topics, in tenth grade. Both were required, but since it was a private school, you could say that parents all consented to it. One new girl's mother did raise a stink because she didn't want her daughter to learn about oral sex.

I'm willing to bet she learned about it one way or the other.

The swimming pool analogy is a good one. Another good one is the Ferrari analogy: If you have a racy new Ferrari the kids aren't allowed to drive, telling your kids not to drive it is a good idea. Removing the seat belts and air bags from the car is a bad, bad idea.

Ivy

bcdphie · #52 07-31-2003, 05:04 PM

I attended a private, all girls school and we began sex education in Grade 5. Every year from grade 5 through to about grade 8 or 9 we had a mother-daughter evening where a local nurse who specialized in Sex Ed came to talk to us about everything. They did push abstinence as the best thing to do, but not the only thing. It was important to let us know about all available forms of birth control, etc.

In BC, the science 9 provincial curriculum includes a unit on the human reproductive system - so you really got to learn everything.

I personally am somewhat of an anomely when it comes to SexEd, however. My brother is almost 6 years younger than me and at the age of 5 you couldn't tell me that some stork was going to show up at the house. I started to learn everything at the age of 5, and nothing sugar coated either as my parents are open and scientific about everything, especially when it comes to the human body.

So to recap, it is important to be told everything, and not rely on abstinence alone.

Rudey · #53 07-31-2003, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by KappaKittyCat
Rudey,

Girl wanted to wait.

You talk about "boning her" anyway.

Sounds like rape to me.

And yes, dear, I am a feminist. Thank you for asking.

Dear I didn't ask anything. I also did not mention rape. Hell I could say a lot of things and couldn't give 2 cents what they sound to you honey bunny.

I didn't say I would rape her. Now go write for some fiction website and call someone else a rapist.

-Rudey

Rudey · #54 07-31-2003, 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by adduncan
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I'm a little disappointed at some of the comments. It's one thing to disagree with the perspective of a sex-ed program.

It's quite another to start a Let's Bash People Committed to Christianity Party.

If it were any other religion, "tolerance" would be the buzzword.

Before anyone says, "Oh, now wait, we're not bashing any religion!" go back and look at your comments again and pretend that *you* practice the faith you're criticizing. (Especially Rudey--I agree with KappyKittyCat that you aluded to rape in your post, whether you admit it or not.)

Is it at all possible to discuss or disagree w/ a POV on a sensitive topic without leaning into religious bigotry?

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Adrienne (PNAM-2003)

Seriously I don't care what you think but I care about the labels you throw around. In response for saying I alluded to rape, I will say you probably achieved in the lower percentiles of any standardized test with reading comprehension.

-Rudey

Rudey · #55 07-31-2003, 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by swissmiss04
Yeah FYI I wasn't bashing any religion at all. I am however, lamenting the sad state of people who take things to an extreme, so much so that they don't truly live their lives and make things difficult for others. I am sorry if someone misinterpreted my comments.

Don't most religious people "educate" their children before the wedding?

-Rudey