Pledging

[PositivelyAKA]

there is nothing Godly about the mentality shown by those who look down on others whatever the reasoning behind it, its simply Ugly in God's sight. The whole "i'm better than him or her because i pledged complex" is pittiful. it offers no remedy and breeds division. whatever flaws there may be in the current process will not be solved by this conversation, so i'll do what i've been doing, that is keeping my pledge, fullfilling my vows, there is much work to do, no time to waste, thank goodness i don't rely on AKA and pledge processes to validate the woman i already am. peace.

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by 7BA94:
I can and I do fault them. Where there is a will there is a way. If they want to come in, in the time honored manner they can. Also there is no division, there are brothers and there are others. Others are not frat. How can you say someone is a brother, and he doesn't even know his own line brothers name. That just sounds ridiculous. Imagine this "What is your brothers name?" response, "I don't know." That just sounds foolish.

Even though it wasn't their fault for not being able to pledge(in some instances), I agree with you, Bruh. It is foolish to not know your "sands". I think those that have it for the right reasons should go to their national conventions and try to develop some pledge process. I did sometime ago. I even submitted my plan.

Every social relationship mankind has known did not survive without some kind of test; and the only way to believe in it is to go through and pass something that would test it. Pledging provides that for men as well as women. Take part in the planning, development and implementation of a pledge program, and you'll see the difference in the way your new bruhs/sistas honor and serve the family.

[ZChi4Life]

I just joined Greekchat not too long ago so as I was browsing through, I came across this board. I've read many posts in here and I decided to respond. I am not in a BGLO, I am in a multicultural greek org. My org has a membership education process which does involve forms of pledging. It is something that our Nationals knows about and moderates. Since my org does this and since our Nationals knows about this, it is something that works for our org and we have not had any problems w/ things like physical abuse or harm, etc of incoming members. Everything that goes on w/in our process is noted by our Nat'l office. It is detailed in such a way that it's hard to break from that and do something totally out of the protocol. Now don't get me wrong, our Nationals does NOT condone any type of physical abuse/harm or anything that is demeaning, degrading or humiliating to our associates (pledgees). Things of this nature are strictly prohibited and chapters who are suspected of physically harming/abusing, demeaning, etc associates and/or who get caught doing this will be dealt with accordingly.
The reason for my post is to shed another perspective on this subject. It seems that b/c of the new intake process that has been adopted, there is still a problem of members of orgs taking things too far or still "pledging" their new members. Do you all think that if the NPHC adapted some type of protocol that could involve some levels of pledging, NOT hazing, do you think the situation would get better or continue on as it is? It would seem that this way, members can feel that plegdes are brought in "the right way" yet are not at a risk for getting in trouble or whatever. Also, maybe I missed it, but has there been any suggestions made to the NPHC or from the NPHC to better this situation of intake?

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[kingtut]

I wasn't going to speak on this topic but i decided i would, but stay brief.I pledged underground not too long ago and even though i was underground i still went through the process. I believe that the process is a very important aspect of the frat,it's a way to find out what members actually believe in the frat and what members are just joining just to step. I believe the process is needed but i think it should be a little more mental and less physical. After all we are not like sigmas we don't have to walk around talking about how we got are ass kicked to show that we are real men.

One Love
kingtut

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by kingtut:
I wasn't going to speak on this topic but i decided i would, but stay brief.I pledged underground not too long ago and even though i was underground i still went through the process. I believe that the process is a very important aspect of the frat,it's a way to find out what members actually believe in the frat and what members are just joining just to step. I believe the process is needed but i think it should be a little more mental and less physical. After all we are not like sigmas we don't have to walk around talking about how we got are ass kicked to show that we are real men.


One Love
kingtut

Looka here, NEO!(and I mean that FRATERNALLY)

First, I agree; THERE SHOULD BE A PLEDGE PROCESS. But it should be very physical, and very mental. It should also be as educational as it is challenging. It should teach young bruhs the importance of being organized with their time, the value of planning, and how important it is for each bruh to teach the people in his circle the value of collective cultural pride. After all, THE JEWELS were among the first Pan-Africanists on this continent.

Also, every organization varies region to region. Some frats are totally different out west than they are out east. Some frats pledge down south; others don't.

Never compare us with another frat; WE are the yardstick by which all others measure. But it's time for us to stop living on our past laurels and accomplish some great things for our people TODAY!

Keep THE SPIRIT

[alesyn]

Everyone needs to think about why this discussion was started. First off, I am not in a sorority and I do not have first hand experience on this subject. But as I was reading all the replies, something caught my eye and prompted this response.

USUAL SUSPECT says: Remember the true meaning of brotherhood and sisterhood.

I have 3 sisters of which I am the youngest. All of them are blood sisters, but my oldest is not my mother's child. There will never be a day that I would disregard her because she CAME INTO my family by way of my father and not my mother. All I am saying is that think of it as your blood. Your sister is your sister, and a brother is a brother, LOVE them like any other.


Peace be with

[2th-Pick]

Pledging goes ALOT deeper than A-Phi-A!!!! I can kick it with a Que that PLEDGED before i can kick it with a SKATIN azz Alpha!!! I've done it before, and i'll continue to do it. I know that Que will support my efforts and pick me up if i fell down, and the SKATIN azz Alpha prolly wouldn't. No true fault of tha SKATER's, he just never had to deal with sacrifice. Respecting tha process is the 1st step at understanding it. If you SKATED, you wouldn't truly FEEL whut i am saying, and prolly think it wuz a crock of shyt. Whut can i possibly say to that??? To each his/her own...
peace

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THE CREATOR OF THE "NO SKATING" ICON SEEN AROUND THE NET!!!

"How do you know where I'm at, if you haven't been where I've been??? Understand where i'm coming from???" - Cypress Hill
"Sah Dah Tay... Say Dah Tay..." - Pootie Tang

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by 2th-Pick:
Pledging goes ALOT deeper than A-Phi-A!!!! I can kick it with a Que that PLEDGED before i can kick it with a SKATIN azz Alpha!!! I've done it before, and i'll continue to do it. I know that Que will support my efforts and pick me up if i fell down, and the SKATIN azz Alpha prolly wouldn't. No true fault of tha SKATER's, he just never had to deal with sacrifice. Respecting tha process is the 1st step at understanding it. If you SKATED, you wouldn't truly FEEL whut i am saying, and prolly think it wuz a crock of shyt. Whut can i possibly say to that??? To each his/her own...
peace

I saw "the light" in the 80s, so I KNOW what you are talkin' 'bout. I feel the same way. But if a dude skates, aint that the fault of the chapter? Aint it also the fault of the NBPHC for allowing the definition of hazing to include things that are integral parts of our cultural rites of passage?