I've Had It!

[33girl]

Originally posted by AXO Alum

I would NEVER even think of hitting another sister. How can you sit there and condone that as being something that *could have maybe possibly been resolved* -- how do you resolve that? I guess my work with shelters for victims of domestic violence has made me cyncial to the whole "it was an accident and it won't happen again" excuse.

Have your own opinion all you want, but do not put words in my mouth. I NEVER condoned the slapping incident (I didn't see anyone else that did either). By "resolved" I meant "kicked Sylvia's sorry ass out of the pledge program" if it happened. I also don't appreciate the intimations that everyone who didn't have a 10 page fit about it is going around smacking each other upside the head...

You also seem to be missing the distinction between sisters and pledges here. Both people involved in the incident are pledges, not yet initiated members of Sigma. Every single sorority and fraternity on this board has given a bid to someone who turned out to be a nut case. They usually weren't initiated. Hopefully that is the case here. BUT AS LONG AS MTV DOES THE EDITING WITH A HEDGE CLIPPERS, WE'LL NEVER KNOW.

[ChiOJenn78]

Originally posted by AXO Alum


First of all, I am not a damn chicken so please don't refer to me as a chick -- we don't call fraternities "frats" and you don't call your country a..... well, let that one ride. I am a woman with an opinion -- just like everyone else.

Now, as for the other comment about certain national GLO members with our "letters" in our screen names making snide and bitchy comments...I have NEVER hidden behind my letters - I am proud of my sorority and I'm proud of my work as an alum president and chapter co-advisor. I'm sorry that we aren't ALL going to agree that Sigma deserves to have pity bestowed upon them. In my NEVER humble opinion, I believe that they went into this knowing what could happen and they are finally seeing it for what it was. And now we are supposed to say "oh my goodness gracious sakes alive - these poor poor girls. Why it wasn't really violent for her to hit that girl. And they weren't really being skanky to get up on each other like that." -- let me guess, its the system to blame -- or whatever other sorry excuse fits other than to say "DAMN - did we totally screw up or what?!"

I don't use AXO as my "platform" for superiority (or whatever else you want to call it) - I use it for pride in myself and in my sisters. You don't have that, then I'm sorry for you.

And for the LAST time let me again repeat -- NO NO NO NO NO -- hitting and other violent acts DID NOT go on in my chapter or my pledge class. Yes, there were problems with girls not getting along, or with a boy playing his options now and then, but when you come down to it, its about SISTERHOOD. And I guess that I can say sorry for those of you who DON'T come from a chapter like that. I would NEVER even think of hitting another sister. How can you sit there and condone that as being something that *could have maybe possibly been resolved* -- how do you resolve that? I guess my work with shelters for victims of domestic violence has made me cyncial to the whole "it was an accident and it won't happen again" excuse.

And thrillhouse - as for your explanation of the conspiracy to make it look like she was being hit...you must be right on that! Dang - that's how my body got on that centerfold for SI's Swimsuit edition!! LOL!

Oh - and before I forget...the whole "if you don't have something nice to say, then don't say anything at all" -- hmmm.... how's this - "Gee whiz - Charlie Manson sure has beautiful eyes" -- keep it real and keep it honest.

Delete the thread, don't reply to the thread, whatever -- that's like saying "I'm fed up and leaving GC for good" -- okay then - don't use the forums for your spotlight exit.

We aren't all going to agree on here -- gee, imagine that -- people can ACTUALLY have differing opinions -- surely you jest. Damn, next thing you know, they'll be letting women vote!

**APPLAUSE**
I couldn't agree with you more.

[kddani]

i second the *applause*

The Sigma sisters i like, some of the pledges i have issues with. But regardless, the organization brought this upon themselves. Willingly putting yourself in the spotlight on a MTV pseudo-reality tv show makes you a public figure.

They made the choice, and they do have to deal with the consequences. Such as some of the disapproving opinions on here. But we're all allowed to have our own opinions. And unless you've walked in another GCers shoes, you have no right to call names or be as harsh as i've seen some people be.

[sugar and spice]

. . . but none of us have ever walked in the Sigmas shoes, so why should we be judging them?

I don't think that none of us should be allowed to have opinions.
I don't think that none of us should be allowed to express those opinions.
I do, however, think that we should all be able to express those opinions without insulting anyone (Sigmas or otherwise), judging them harshly, etc. This goes for people on both sides of this argument.

[Peaches-n-Cream]

Is anyone still watching this show? I haven't in a while. It's not that interesting to me.

[Blaire]

The reason I think that NPC sororities turned down the chance to do "Sorority Life" is simple: In our new member program, we tell our nm that they are not allowed to drink in their letters. Why? Because if tomorrow night I decided to get drunk in one of my DZ shirts and strip at the Pike house, the next day, word around the water cooler will not be "Man! Blaire stripped for us last night! Can you believe it?!"...instead, it would go something like this "Man! Some Delta Zeta stripped last night! Can you believe it?!" Then, unfortunalty, my organization will carry that stigma for years to come. Thats sorta what I think is going on here. We are generalizing Sigma into one group, instead of looking at the individual. If my chapter had signed up for this, you'd better believe that things would get said or done that I would NEVER want the nation to see. It's natural, really. All organizations have their ups and downs.

I do not condone slapping. It has NEVER occured in my sorority. However, I have been slapped before. It would have been mortifying if the whole world saw me get slapped accross my face by one of my best friends (FYI...we are no longer friends). Like I've said before, I feel sorry for these girls...but in a way they should have seen it coming.

I have also never hidden behind my letters; however, I will say that sometimes I keep my thoughts to myself in order to maintain DZs rep. (Not saying that everyone should do that; its just my way of doing things! So please, do not put words in my mouth).

I honestly think that Sigma AEPI had the right intentions and I hope in the long run that this helps them and does not hurt them. Because, who knows? In a different place and time, I could have been one of them.

Much Greek love,
Blaire

[damasa]

The Only thing left to say is:

[phisigsigchic]

I am sorry but for those of you that "have had it" then don't read these posts anymore. The show is hilarious and hellz yea I and all other Greek people as well as non-greek people will continue to laugh at it as well as the stupid things the girls do (which are def dumb and impossible to ignore). Plus, yes everyone has to come to the realization that they HAVE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED THE WAY GREEKS ARE PRECEIVED!! Not that our rep was so much better before, but we were getting better. Now with these people doing this show (yea the producer of the show was Greek and he wanted to show positive Greek like...RIIIIIGHT) they have ruined everything. At my job, I work with a lot of different interns from all sorts of different schools. I am the only one who is Greek and after watching the show I think they almost think that I am like that. One of my co-workers who knows me really well is like your nothing like that I can't believe your in a sorority...and I am like ITS NOTHING LIKE THAT RETARTED SHOW! So to all of you guys who are like "stop making fun of them" wake up and smell the coffee that they have added EVEN MORE to people's negative preception of Greeks. That is the reason why we vent on the boards because we are fed up and mad that when fall rush comes around, numbers may drop. Yes no one is perfect but they were the only ones to go and air their imperfections on tv.

[Eirene_DGP]

Originally posted by Serenity


I think you deserve applause as well, Librasoul22. Great post!!

I don't know... the whole bashing SAEPi seems so "high school" to me. *No offense to any high schoolers on GC* I've never seen a worse case of kicking someone when they were down, regardless of whether or not you felt they deserved it, than on the threads relating to "Sorority Life". I'm starting to wonder if jealousy really is an issue for some GC'ers because some of the comments have been just plain rude and bitchy. Nothing more, nothing less. And, I think the fact that most of the conversation is being held by the women on this forum speaks VOLUMES.

I think the fact that so many people are using the excuse that since SAEPi agreed to do the show it makes them fair game, as justification for their comments, is deplorable. What ever happened to taking the high road? What are your comments saying about your chapter? You're so proud and overjoyed to make snide and bitchy comments with your letters in your screen name. I hope you don't think it's going unnoticed. But maybe you do since there are so many of you who feel PNM's can't differenciate between Local and NPC orgs/reality based shows vs real life, etc.

Stop hiding behind the negative greek image excuse because some of you aren't helping the situation at all. Stop talking out of both sides of your mouth!!

You know what this kinda reminds me of? "Lord of the Flies", when all the kids turn on the fat kid, Ralph ~ "kill the pig, kill the pig, kill the pig!!" Some of you are just getting swept away in all the hostility. Why so hostile?

It's hard to believe that on a website with so many greeks present there would be so many followers and so few leaders...

I had to quote the whole thing because I think it deserves to be read again. Thanks for breaking it down.

[librasoul22]

Originally posted by phisigsigchic
I am sorry but for those of you that "have had it" then don't read these posts anymore. The show is hilarious and hellz yea I and all other Greek people as well as non-greek people will continue to laugh at it as well as the stupid things the girls do (which are def dumb and impossible to ignore). Plus, yes everyone has to come to the realization that they HAVE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED THE WAY GREEKS ARE PRECEIVED!! Not that our rep was so much better before, but we were getting better. Now with these people doing this show (yea the producer of the show was Greek and he wanted to show positive Greek like...RIIIIIGHT) they have ruined everything. At my job, I work with a lot of different interns from all sorts of different schools. I am the only one who is Greek and after watching the show I think they almost think that I am like that. One of my co-workers who knows me really well is like your nothing like that I can't believe your in a sorority...and I am like ITS NOTHING LIKE THAT RETARTED SHOW! So to all of you guys who are like "stop making fun of them" wake up and smell the coffee that they have added EVEN MORE to people's negative preception of Greeks. That is the reason why we vent on the boards because we are fed up and mad that when fall rush comes around, numbers may drop. Yes no one is perfect but they were the only ones to go and air their imperfections on tv.

It is one thing to vent. It is something totally different to make catty comments that serve no other purpose than to expose insecurities and tear someone down to boost yourself up. I am not saying this particular post is an example, but some of the others I have seen certainly qualify.

Also, I say that if you are worried about losing potential members who have been influenced by an MTV show...then maybe you need to rethink who you recruit.

[cash78mere]

Originally posted by chideltjen

And then there is the whole issue about sigmas asking about religious background. While it may not have been done tactfully, I think they have every right to ask. They ARE a jewish sorority and they do practice judism. (I completely F***ed up the spelling on the one... i appologize.) While it's not a requirement to be jewish, I would want to know if these girls are going to be comfortable with rituals and whatnot. And need we forget that most NPC sororities and IFC fraternities were based originally on some form of religion. I can name a few.

here is the problem with that reasoning....this show is called Sorority Life NOT "Local sorority life" or "Jewish sorority life'. There is NO type of disclaimer that this is a local sorority and NOT a national pahhellenic. There is NO mention that national sororities would NOT be allowed EVER to base decisions on religion. So therefore, high schoolers WILL assume that ALL of us do that. I don't care if they are a Jewish or Catholic sorority...they are NOT a representative of the whole. they are ONLY a representative of themselves...and that is never stated during the rush/recruitment procedure.

and who cares if some sororities have religious backgrounds? we are NOT allowed to discriminate based on religion. period.

and like AXOAlum said...I ain't no chicken.

[cash78mere]

Originally posted by AXO Alum


First of all, I am not a damn chicken so please don't refer to me as a chick -- we don't call fraternities "frats" and you don't call your country a..... well, let that one ride. I am a woman with an opinion -- just like everyone else.

Now, as for the other comment about certain national GLO members with our "letters" in our screen names making snide and bitchy comments...I have NEVER hidden behind my letters - I am proud of my sorority and I'm proud of my work as an alum president and chapter co-advisor. I'm sorry that we aren't ALL going to agree that Sigma deserves to have pity bestowed upon them. In my NEVER humble opinion, I believe that they went into this knowing what could happen and they are finally seeing it for what it was. And now we are supposed to say "oh my goodness gracious sakes alive - these poor poor girls. Why it wasn't really violent for her to hit that girl. And they weren't really being skanky to get up on each other like that." -- let me guess, its the system to blame -- or whatever other sorry excuse fits other than to say "DAMN - did we totally screw up or what?!"

I don't use AXO as my "platform" for superiority (or whatever else you want to call it) - I use it for pride in myself and in my sisters. You don't have that, then I'm sorry for you.



And thrillhouse - as for your explanation of the conspiracy to make it look like she was being hit...you must be right on that! Dang - that's how my body got on that centerfold for SI's Swimsuit edition!! LOL!

Oh - and before I forget...the whole "if you don't have something nice to say, then don't say anything at all" -- hmmm.... how's this - "Gee whiz - Charlie Manson sure has beautiful eyes" -- keep it real and keep it honest.

Delete the thread, don't reply to the thread, whatever -- that's like saying "I'm fed up and leaving GC for good" -- okay then -

***that's my girl!!!!***

i saw that swimsuit edition...you looked pretty damn good!

[librasoul22]

Okay, here is my perception from this whole thing. Some of you all are crossing your arms leaning back and saying, "see there? Now look what they have done! We TOLD THEM SO!" Blaming MTV and blaming Sigma and blaming the pledges and blaming EVERYONE ELSE is really a poor cover-up for your own insecurities. Why not just eradicate the stereotype yourself instead of whining about it? Furthermore, why even worry about it at all? If the stereotype doesn't apply to you then what is the big deal??? If it does apply to you, then trying to shift the blame to MTV, Sigma, etc. is a waste of time when you could be trying to improve yourself/your org.

I know the major issue is that it will harm recruitment numbers. How many of you are actually disappointed that you could be losing potential members who think that MTV shows are REAL? I should hope that no one is scrambling to recruit this demographic.

Bottom line...worry less about what others think, and more about yourself. That way you can SHOW rather than TELL that your org defies the stereotypes.

[AXO Alum]

Originally posted by 33girl

You also seem to be missing the distinction between sisters and pledges here.

Oh, sorry - my fault. Guess this is because Alpha Chi Omega DOES NOT ALLOW us to have distinctions between SISTERS and NEW MEMBERS ("pledges" huh - hmmm...NPC had a statement about that somewhere....now where is it....I'm looking for it...). It is stated in our constitution and by-laws that once that bid card is signed, then you are considered a SISTER with the same rights and privileges as any other sister. The ONLY exception is that they don't know ritual. PERIOD. Oops - guess that is just me being bitchy again and making superiority references to my organization. Like I said...sorry that not everyone has had the experience I have had. I guess that I am fortunate to know what I wanted from a sisterhood and went there to get it.

By the way....after the comment that someone made about what my letters say about me and my organization....now WHY is it that *SOME* people are in hiding and WON'T publish what organization they belong to....hmmm....like I said - I'm not hiding anything.

Cashmere - thanks sister!! Glad to know that WE BOTH KNOW THE MEANING OF SISTERHOOD!! Now come over here and let me smack you so we can throw our own pity party!!! Thank you Easter Bunny - BAAK BAAK!

ChiOJenn78 - thanks for the applause -- you want a good smack too so that you can be part of the "Black and Blue" sisters?

Damasa - that was TOO DAMN FUNNY

[kddani]

I'm with you all the way AXO Alum
especially about people hiding and not revealing their letters..... i noticed that myself