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Old 08-06-2002, 08:50 PM
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scarred for life

the upside down triangle is representative of the 'vulva'?

N O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O !!!!!
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Old 08-06-2002, 08:57 PM
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Re: scarred for life

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the upside down triangle is representative of the 'vulva'?

N O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O !!!!!

ROFLMAO!!!

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

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Old 08-06-2002, 10:17 PM
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Has anyone checked out there "Bruhs" Page, these are the most manly looking women I have ever seen! They alos do the upside down triangle thing UGGH!
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Old 08-06-2002, 10:27 PM
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WTF?
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Old 08-07-2002, 12:42 AM
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Question WHAT IN THE WORLD???


OH WELL, TO EACH IT'S OWN....

I HAVE TO READ ON...

I LOVE MY Z PHI BBBBBBBBB!!!

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Old 08-07-2002, 03:15 AM
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Just a note about the triangle....FYI

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I just wanted to comment on the upside down triangle. I don't know the sorority, but an upside down triangle is a gay/lesbian symbol. It usually is in pink, but I guess they just changed the color to blue because it is their sorority's color.
Greetings Ladies! As a lesbian woman I have to say that I commend these ladies for having the courage to start an organization that caters to the community that they are apart of. Not many, if any already established organizations would do it. Many of you may have sorors who are lesbian, but are afraid to come out, because they witness first hand, the ignorance and disrespect that is show here in this forum.

As a Greek woman I also understand how you all feel to a certain extent, I would be equally as upset if someone had infringed upon my organizations symbols and traditions. But I don't feel that this is the case with this organization. I have a couple of question to pose here, is it so easy for you to degrade and bash them because they are black and lesbian? If they had been a white organization with the same symbols, lesbian or not would you feel so strongly that they were trying to be copycats? The last time I checked no organization was able to place trademarks on colors, if that had been the case then Delta Zeta would be upset. These ladies colors are royal blue and platinum (silver), if you are going to be upset with that, then what about the other organizations, black and white who colors are royal blue and white. I bet you are not going out and bashing them for it! As far as the hands sign, while I will admit they are similar, they are not the same. If you looked closely you would see what I see, and I have taken the time out to look at all the organizations hand signs. Instead of assuming that they are trying to take yours, why don't you ask them to explain theirs. As far as the Delta's sign is concerned I think I know why these young ladies use the "introverted triangle" as it is called by the lgbt community and that information is listed below, if you care to learn something.

I feel that there is so much more we need to be worried about like needy children and families, not what someone line name stands for or if they can wear the outfits that they have on. None of us can honestly sit here and say that all our sorors are the most well put together people around. We were enslaved for many years for the color of our skin and yet someone had the nerve to clown one of these women because she is dark skin. Shame! You supposedly joined your respective orgs because you wanted to uplift, so what do you call this?

Because I have been discriminated against and I am a proud lesbian woman, I felt it was my duty to defend this org since they are not hear to do it for themselves. I have not tried to offend anyone here, but if I have then so be it.


Pink Triangle and Related Symbols
The pink triangle is easily one of the more popular and widely-recognized symbols for the gay community. The pink triangle is rooted in World War II times, and reminds us of the tragedies of that era. Although homosexuals were only one of the many groups targeted for extermination by the Nazi regime, it is unfortunately the group that history often excludes. The pink triangle challenges that notion, and defies anyone to deny history.

The history of the pink triangle begins before WWII, during Adolf Hitler's rise to power. Paragraph 175, a clause in German law prohibiting homosexual relations, was revised by Hitler in 1935 to include kissing, embracing, and gay fantasies as well as sexual acts. Convicted offenders -- an estimated 25,000 just from 1937 to 1939 -- were sent to prison and then later to concentration camps. Their sentence was to be sterilized, and this was most often accomplished by castration. In 1942 Hitler's punishment for homosexuality was extended to death.

Each prisoner in the concentration camps wore a colored inverted triangle to designate their reason for incarceration, and hence the designation also served to form a sort of social hierarchy among the prisoners. A green triangle marked its wearer as a regular criminal; a red triangle denoted a political prisoner. Two yellow triangles overlapping to form a Star of David designated a Jewish prisoner. The pink triangle was for homosexuals. A yellow Star of David under a superimposed pink triangle marked the lowest of all prisoners -- a gay Jew.

Stories of the camps depict homosexual prisoners being given the worst tasks and labors. Pink triangle prisoners were also a proportionally large focus of attacks from the guards and even other inmates. Although the total number of the homosexual prisoners is not known, official Nazi estimates were an underwhelming 10,000.

Although homosexual prisoners reportedly were not shipped en masse to the death camps at Auschwitz, a great number of gay men were among the non-Jews who were killed there. Estimates of the number of gay men killed during the Nazi regime range from 50,000 to twice that figure. When the war was finally over, countless many homosexuals remained prisoners in the camps, because Paragraph 175 remained law in West Germany until its repeal in 1969.

In the 1970s, gay liberation groups resurrected the pink triangle as a popular symbol for the gay rights movement. Not only is the symbol easily recognized, but it draws attention to oppression and persecution -- then and now. In the 1980s, ACT-UP (AIDS Coalition To Unleash Power) began using the pink triangle for their cause. They inverted the symbol, making it point up, to signify an active fight back rather than a passive resignation to fate. Today, for many the pink triangle represents pride, solidarity, and a promise to never allow another Holocaust to happen again.

Like the pink triangle, the black triangle is also rooted in Nazi Germany. Although lesbians were not included in the Paragraph 175 prohibition of homosexuality, there is evidence to indicate that the black triangle was used to designate prisoners with anti-social behavior. Considering that the Nazi idea of womanhood focused on children, kitchen, and church, black triangle prisoners may have included lesbians, prostitutes, women who refused to bear children, and women with other "anti-social" traits. As the pink triangle is historically a male symbol, the black triangle has similarly been reclaimed by lesbians and feminists as a symbol of pride and solidarity.
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Old 08-07-2002, 04:19 AM
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At this time I am very disappointed in the attitudes of my fellow greeks and fellow African Americans. I have viewed the site www.oepi.com and I must say that I am impressed with the fact that they have done something that no other SORORITY had the nerve to do. How many of us would be brave enough to step out on a limb as they have done and asert who we are. I was so shocked that some would have the nerve to discuss how they look. HDIC is dark and what of it? I know some of us have been called tar baby once or twice
I also wanted to know why more Zetas aren't upset that Tau Beta Sigma has the exact same colors while OEPi only has one color. I guess you feel like SGHRO wants to be you in with a Gold accent. I love my Greeks but get off your high horses. We are so busy trying to bash we have forgetting why were created in the first place. I would write more but it is 400 am and I have a job to go to.
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Old 08-07-2002, 04:44 AM
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I also wanted to know why more Zetas aren't upset that Tau Beta Sigma has the exact same colors while OEPi only has one color. I guess you feel like SGHRO wants to be you in with a Gold accent.


Now I understand you trying to make a point, but that quote above shows me that you are obviously trying to start some mess.

S L O W Y A R O L L



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Old 08-07-2002, 08:27 AM
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I was hoping that someone would come on here and break it all down. Thank you so much for stepping up and giving a little history lesson on the board.
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Old 08-07-2002, 08:29 AM
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no one hasn't been PI

to play devil's advocate.. no one has been politically incorrect. I haven't read any open Gay Bashing (except for the butch comments)..

Every time someone emmulates somebody elses extremely popular anything, it always comes back to this statement..

"We'll, none of these symbols and signs and colors are copyrighted."

That statement has NOTHING to do with being original.

We all commend the ladies for forming an organization to cater to a need in our Greek Community that WASN'T BEING MET.

Also, thanks for the education on the pink triangle. I'm sure a great % of people don't know the history of the symbol (I didn't).

Now, to my fellow NPHC Greeks... there are only SOOOOO many fingers and ways to contort them to create a 'hand sign'. The hand sign thing is kinda ironic to me cause Omegas have a 'whole arm sign' so we don't get much emmulation from other orgs.

To each his own... telling the truth... and shame the devil..
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Old 08-07-2002, 08:39 PM
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I must agree with Swamp Thing,

No one was commenting about their lifestyle - what a lot of my fellow greeks of the D9 were making clear observations about were the similarities to the African American sororities. Revisit many of the original post and you will see the direction of their cause for concern.


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Old 08-08-2002, 12:28 PM
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Re: Just a note about the triangle....FYI

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Pink Triangle and Related Symbols
The history of the pink triangle begins before WWII, during Adolf Hitler's rise to power. Paragraph 175, a clause in German law prohibiting homosexual relations, was revised by Hitler in 1935 to include kissing, embracing, and gay fantasies as well as sexual acts...............
'Ya know, I'm not trying to start anything here and thank you for your historical references regarding this new orgs "triangle"...

BUT....I SERIOUSLY DOUBT that if asked directly about the origin of this "triangle" that these girls be spitting out a bunch of history of its origination during Hitler's rise to power.

It's real cool and all that these girls wanted to start their own sorority and I'd completely respect their setup if they had not BLATANTLY adopted various symbols and signs of other D4 sororites. It seems as if they sat around with a list of our colors, calls, signs and symbols and started picking out which they liked. When they got to the Delta Pyramid, one of them flipped it over and was like "oohhh...that's a cooch...let's use it."

My bad...not trying to start some chit....but probably am.

One more thing...tell these chicks to GET OUT OF THE IVY STANCE...not cute (at least not when they do it!)
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Old 08-08-2002, 12:39 PM
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Re: Re: Just a note about the triangle....FYI

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When they got to the Delta Pyramid, one of them flipped it over and was like "oohhh...that's a cooch...let's use it."

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! A WHAT?

No you didn't!

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Old 08-08-2002, 12:43 PM
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Question Question for all

I don't understand why you seriously doubt that the members of this sorority would tell the history of the triangle that dates back to the days of Hitler. Among the GLBT community, the history behind the triangle is known by most people. It's really not anything new. And I agree with esperance who said that because this is a black sorority, that is the only reason why so many people are jumping down on them. Have you all seen a Latina, Asian, or multicultural sorority lately? They have the same terminology as black greeks, same colors, similar hand signs and calls, and they even step, but no one talks about them. Why is that?
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Old 08-08-2002, 01:11 PM
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Re: Re: Just a note about the triangle....FYI

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BUT....I SERIOUSLY DOUBT that if asked directly about the origin of this "triangle" that these girls be spitting out a bunch of history of its origination during Hitler's rise to power.

It's real cool and all that these girls wanted to start their own sorority and I'd completely respect their setup if they had not BLATANTLY adopted various symbols and signs of other D4 sororites. It seems as if they sat around with a list of our colors, calls, signs and symbols and started picking out which they liked. When they got to the Delta Pyramid, one of them flipped it over and was like "oohhh...that's a cooch...let's use it."
zchi is right, most gay people do know about the triangle's significance. I think it is safe to say that this org. has "borrowed" MANY things from BGLO's, but I don't think the triangle is one of them.

I, for one, seriously doubt that they did the "it's a cooch" thing, but I must admit the thought of that makes me lol.



I think it is great they they formed their own sisterhood (and brotherhood?), but I too, think they could have been a TAD bit more original. If not with handsigns, at LEAST with calls, stances, etc.
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