I don't want to be a ABC anymore... WTH?

[REIKI]

Originally posted by AKA_Monet
Nubian,

My issue is that I refuse anger against a comment on my statements when it is valid and I know I said them. In Miss Reiki's case, she slandered me by posting her message in which I made some comment when in fact someone else made that comment. That is defamation of my character and I have yet to appreciate that.

Another issue of mine is when a non member assumes that ALL BGLO's do this, that or whatever. Maybe in their reality, that may be true, but in the hard work that all of our organizations do, I have yet to make the time to be endearing to one that when they speak, they have extemely little knowledge and is trying to perpatrate knowing something that they are unable to fathom...

Also, I refuse to allow any attacks on my Sorors. That is how I operate. I made a solemn pledge to refrain from all ill-will against a soror long ago and uphold that aspect of my character, forever. I may disagree with my Sorors on some of their statements, but I use my discretion when I speak to them. That is the respect that I give all my Sorors and that is something that an outsider would be incapable of realizing... Beyond that, there are things that are too confidential to be said on this type of forum and it is best left up to be private and discreet.

I hope you have the understanding and compassion to make sense of what I have stated. For every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction. So is it wise to say much right now given you are a non member? [/B]

It is spelled per·pe·trate...
Peace.

[REIKI]

Originally posted by Rain Man


Did I take good notes? AND HOW!!!

ChaosDST, the same points writtten above you made about Greeks vs. non-Greeks can be equally applied to active Greeks and "denounced" Greeks. Active Greeks really cannot fathom the reasons why their frat/sorors permanently separated from the organization.

*speaking now to all other posters of this thread*

Therefore, IMHO it is extremely unfair and hypocritical for Greeks to chastise non-Greeks for alledgedly posting on topics that they do not know anything about when the very nature of this thread required just that: Greeks posting opinions on why they think their fellow greeks denounced their GLOs. Since you are not in their shoes, in all fairness, you are no more qualified to speak than any of the non-Greeks. If anybody was best qualified to speak regarding denouncing their org on this thread, it would be me. Ironically enough, only one person replied to me via PM (thank you ClassyLady, and yes I did send a PM response). The rest of the thread turned into a rather elitist Greek vs. non-Greek crossfire debate of "Do as I say, not as I do".

Nubian was right about the spirit of this forum. All too often, I have sensed that it does not welcome viewpoints that either is not PC or does not feed the egos of Greeks. That is sad and I have "seen" too many non-Greeks "leave" the forum bitter and angry because an innocent question or comment they had result in them needlessly getting their heads bit off in rather arrogant tones. As a result, it further perpetuates the very stereotypes about BGLOs that you are trying to dissuade.

To Reiki and Nubian, on behalf of all GLO initiates, I apologize if you feel that we have belittled you and hope you have no hard feelings for Greeks. I extend an olive branch of peace and fellowship.

Sorry if I stepped on anyones toes, but this HAD to be said.

See you later

RM

Thank you. In the middle of the crossfire it is often hard to realize that all members of GLO's are NOT the same in attitude, demeanor, thought, etc. I appreciate your sincere and humble extension of fellowship.

Peace.

[Ideal08]

Originally posted by REIKI
It is spelled per·pe·trate...
Peace.

You know what, time and time again, things get taken way out of proportion, and I'm lightweight getting a little sick of it. If you feel like you need to have a private conversation with some peeps, then by all means, do so. But if it is not pertaining to the topic, do so by PM. All this Greek vs. Non-Greek ying yang is OFF TOPIC.

Reiki, the next time you feel the need to correct someone, please do it by PM. Somehow, I don't get the feeling you were trying to be helpful or offer constructive criticism. Instead, I feel as though you were trying to be smart and call my soror out and belittle her entire post for the misspelling of one word. And for that reason, I am offended.

All: Please, get back on topic or the thread will be closed.

[REIKI]

Originally posted by Ideal08


You know what, time and time again, things get taken way out of proportion, and I'm lightweight getting a little sick of it. If you feel like you need to have a private conversation with some peeps, then by all means, do so. But if it is not pertaining to the topic, do so by PM. All this Greek vs. Non-Greek ying yang is OFF TOPIC.

Reiki, the next time you feel the need to correct someone, please do it by PM. Somehow, I don't get the feeling you were trying to be helpful or offer constructive criticism. Instead, I feel as though you were trying to be smart and call my soror out and belittle her entire post for the misspelling of one word. And for that reason, I am offended.

All: Please, get back on topic or the thread will be closed.

I would appreciate it then if you, and others do the same (i.e., "correct" me via PM).

Peace.

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by Ideal08


All: Please, get back on topic or the thread will be closed.

With all due respect to the moderators, I elect that this thread be closed because as the recent posts have indicated, the basis for and who is and is not qualified to post on the topic is highly dubious.

AKA2D initially opened this thread for anyone to post, as there were no disclaimers in the opening post. Later, some non-Greeks post their views and was chastised by 2D b/c they were non-Greeks and they have not experienced Greek life. THAT was why the thread got off-topic.

Taking it a step further, few, if any Greeks posting in this thread has experienced disgruntlement with their organization to the point of permanent separation (if they have, they have been silent).

Therefore, if the only qualified posters of any thread should be those who directly experience something, then it begs the question of why are Greeks any more qualified then non-Greeks to speak on something they have not experienced.

I have nothing but love for any GCers, but in all fairness I think 2D was wrong for restricting the thread to Greeks when on the very nature of the subject she (and a lot of other Greeks) was an outsider herself.

I humbly ask that in light of the above, that the thread either be open for non-Greeks to post, or to close it entirely.

Thank you
RM

[AKA2D '91]

Originally posted by Rain Man




AKA2D initially opened this thread for anyone to post, as there were no disclaimers in the opening post.

I did what?
Where did I say that?

BTW...
Welcome back, we haven't seen you around here in a few minutes. I'm glad you found something you wanted to "discuss"...


What I did do is ask how can one who is a MEMBER of ABC say they don't want to be ABC anymore. THAT'S WHAT I DID.
Therefore, If you are not a member, you cannot answer.
And contrary to what you said, MEMBERS of organizations have more similarities than differences as someone said. Therefore, MEMBERS can question another MEMBER'S rationale. We are in the SAME boat basically, so yes, WE CAN QUESTION.

If a Delta goes to their forum asks why doesn't their soror not want to attend sorority meeting, WHY IN THE HECK should I go over there and answer? (Just using it as an example)

Another example...If I have sorority meeting at abc place and it starts at 5 (which I do...lol) and a non-member rolls up to the place at 5, ummmmmm someone is out of order. There aren't any disclaimers or signs that says that this is an AKA meeting. But anyone NOT a member or member of the chapter cannot attend
IT'S THE SAME SCRIPT... DIFFERNT CAST. One does not have to ALL THE TIME say, this is for one or this is not for one to respond. One should know where to tread and not tread.

Now, when I or if I ask, why or why not a NON-MEMBER thinks like this or that, then you may answer, otherwise....poof be gone!
Like I said before, since folks can't read between lines, I'll have to SPECIFY who can and CANNOT post. If you post and it specifically says who can't, then your post is DELETED!


If I've already made it clear when the chit started, then why must those who are not members continue to post? Sorors and other greeks you all can continue to post, but as far as I'm concerned, it's.....

Skee ya'll!

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91

I did what?
Where did I say that?

At the very first post. Since you did not clarify that it was a Greeks only thread, you left yourself open for interpretation at the poster's will

AKA2D:
BTW...
Welcome back, we haven't seen you around here in a few minutes. I'm glad you found something you wanted to "discuss"...

RM:
Thank you. I have been posting from time to time, it's just few have been responding. But thanx nonetheless.

AKA2D:
What I did do is ask how can one who is a MEMBER of ABC say they don't want to be ABC anymore. THAT'S WHAT I DID.
Therefore, If you are not a member, you cannot answer.
And contrary to what you said, MEMBERS of organizations have more similarities than differences as someone said. Therefore, MEMBERS can question another MEMBER'S rationale. We are in the SAME boat basically, so yes, WE CAN QUESTION.

RM:
As Unicron would say, "Your bargaining posture is highly dubious, but very well" Just keep in mind that Greeks and non-Greeks are people first and therefore in the SAME boat being that they all have spirits, souls, and opinions.

AKA2D:
If a Delta goes to their forum asks why doesn't their soror not want to attend sorority meeting, WHY IN THE HECK should I go over there and answer? (Just using it as an example)

RM:
Hey, different strokes for different folks. As long as they (or any GLO) know that they are in a public forum, there are only so many safeguards that can be put into play to keep outsiders from answering. That is an inherent risk you take when posting on GC.

2D:
Another example...If I have sorority meeting at abc place and it starts at 5 (which I do...lol) and a non-member rolls up to the place at 5, ummmmmm someone is out of order. There aren't any disclaimers or signs that says that this is an AKA meeting. But anyone NOT a member or member of the chapter cannot attend
IT'S THE SAME SCRIPT... DIFFERNT CAST. One does not have to ALL THE TIME say, this is for one or this is not for one to respond. One should know where to tread and not tread.

RM
My question to you would be: How the heck did the nonmember find out about the meeting if it was to be private to begin with?

It seems to me that with both the examples you gave that some BGLOers don't practice what they preach. Namely, DISCRETION!

2D:
Now, when I or if I ask, why or why not a NON-MEMBER thinks like this or that, then you may answer, otherwise....poof be gone!
Like I said before, since folks can't read between lines, I'll have to SPECIFY who can and CANNOT post. If you post and it specifically says who can't, then your post is DELETED!

RM:
That was NOT the case here, at least not initially. And still, it begs the question: Since Greeks here have not EXPERIENCED denouncement from their GLO, just as non-Greeks have not EXPERIENCED a GLO ritual initiation, what makes a Greek any more qualified to speak on a subject s/he has not experienced any more that a non-Greek? Let's be honest, a ritual initiation should not be used for a be-all, end-all tool for discussions. I think in this case, it is just a weak excuse to shove their letters in non-Greeks' face.

2D:
If I've already made it clear when the chit started, then why must those who are not members continue to post? Sorors and other greeks you all can continue to post, but as far as I'm concerned, it's.....

RM:
2D, if you are really that concerned about what non-Greeks can or cannot post to, you might want to see if there can be a sub-forum in this website that only members can post to certain topics. Otherwise, I guarantee you that a lot of insightful Greek-related threads will be sidetracked into flame wars b/t non-Greeks and Greeks. I already see a LOT of that in this forum and is just now saying something about it. But pulling letters (as in the term "pulling rank") on non-Greeks is not the answer, as you can see.

Skee ya'll! [/B][/QUOTE]

Likewise,

RM