Interested in AI

[thatheles]

The term STEM became a blanket term to equalize the rigor of Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math because of the extreme similarities in core courses. Also, it's being used to unite women in male dominated technical fields.

[Titchou]

Why would we need one on AI? In the first place, you aren't an NPC member so I doubt you know much of the history and/or purpose of UAs. Not everything is covered by UAs. And I can't really imagine what a need might be for one to cover AI...there might be but at this point, I don't see it. Not trying to be snarky at all. It just isn't something at this point that begs the need for an AI UA. The current ones pretty much cover all that would be of need/interest

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Why would we need one on AI? In the first place, you aren't an NPC member so I doubt you know much of the history and/or purpose of UAs. Not everything is covered by UAs. And I can't really imagine what a need might be for one to cover AI...there might be but at this point, I don't see it. Not trying to be snarky at all. It just isn't something at this point that begs the need for an AI UA. The current ones pretty much cover all that would be of need/interest

i think you're completely missing Sen's point, which is: If there isn't a UA, then

Originally Posted by Sen's Revenge

Speak for your own organization's policy, not the other 25.

[Xidelt]

AI is membership selection. Isn't that privately up to the members of each organization?

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by Xidelt

AI is membership selection. Isn't that privately up to the members of each organization?

Yes.

ETA: agree with 33's stabby explanation. Consider the contrast: "what can AI do for me" versus "you've done so much for ______ , we would like to extend membership to you/invite you to become a member of our organization".

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Xidelt

AI is membership selection. Isn't that privately up to the members of each organization?

Well I guess, theoretically, NPC could have a UA that says "all AIs must be former members of a colonized local" or something like that.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Well I guess, theoretically, NPC could have a UA that says "all AIs must be former members of a colonized local" or something like that.

I doubt it would want to veer into that territory - esp since I understand some groups don't do AI at all. So it wouldn't apply to everyone and UAs are intended to do that.

[pinksequins]

If the JL and city social structure are as closed as described, it is not at all clear to me that AI will open the social network for the OP as she hopes.

[DrPhil]

Perhaps NPC GCers need to rethink how much information they are willing to provide on GC. It can be confusing when people read you all type so much detail on certain topics and then get silent or antsy on other topics. Maybe it makes more sense to ask people to speak to someone in real life or check out official websites. Then these people can trust they are getting reliable and verifiable information; and people can have a more consistent understanding of what topics are and are not discussed on GC.

I'm just sayin'....

[DubaiSis]

Well, there's probably some ground between the haphazard sharing of the NPC and the oddly silent (in my opinion) stance of the NPHC.

The problem is it's not consistent across the board, except for the fact that in most cases women seeking AI would have to be disappointed once they went through the process. It just seems that no matter how many times we say it, women don't get that alumnae membership is just not the same as collegiate membership.

But you're right that if a woman is interested in AI in a particular NPC sorority, she should find a member in real life, or via private message here, and ask a specific question. A woman seeking AI into Chi O in Arkansas is going to get a much different answer than a, say, DPhiE in California. Which of course is in no way saying she would have a better chance into one versus the other. Just that the dynamics would be different.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

oddly silent (in my opinion) stance of the NPHC.

I weep for the day a Delta collegiate or alumnae aspirant gets most of her information from a GLO message board when she walks by Deltas everyday or (the same way she found Greekchat) has access to official means to contact Deltas.

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

The problem is it's not consistent across the board....

But you're right that if a woman is interested in AI in a particular NPC sorority, she should find a member in real life, or via private message here, and ask a specific question.

Also, are there national, regional, and chapter websites with information or at least official contact information?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Also, are there national, regional, and chapter websites with information or at least official contact information?

For some groups there are, and for some groups there aren't. That's part of the problem. All collegiate chapters of all 26 NPC groups rush and extend bids in some fashion. If they didn't they would cease to exist. However, all groups don't do AI, and of the ones that do, it can vary from place to place. Some groups require backing of/affiliation with an alumnae club or chapter, some don't.

[PersistentDST]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

Well, there's probably some ground between the haphazard sharing of the NPC and the oddly silent (in my opinion) stance of the NPHC.

There are a few reasons that we are silent. It's not really a "stance." The only questions that we can answer are explicitly listed on our websites or other resources. So frankly, if there is a general question, an interest should have already done the footwork to find the answers because they are available. If it is a question about a local chapter/situation then it should be referred to said members of that chapter. Why? If an individual doesn't know any members of said chapter of interest then I'd assume they aren't really trying to be in said chapter/organization. Why should members vouch for someone who they don't know? I can't help interests on GC.

I apologize for the hijack...I'm just saying real life interaction/research seems to be the best suggestion, whether it gets the OP to her goal or not.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by PersistentDST

Why should members vouch for someone who they don't know?

This is why I still can't get behind the idea of recs in NPC recruitment 100%. But that's a different discussion for a different thread

[pbear19]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

Well, there's probably some ground between the haphazard sharing of the NPC and the oddly silent (in my opinion) stance of the NPHC.

The problem is it's not consistent across the board, except for the fact that in most cases women seeking AI would have to be disappointed once they went through the process. It just seems that no matter how many times we say it, women don't get that alumnae membership is just not the same as collegiate membership.

But you're right that if a woman is interested in AI in a particular NPC sorority, she should find a member in real life, or via private message here, and ask a specific question. A woman seeking AI into Chi O in Arkansas is going to get a much different answer than a, say, DPhiE in California. Which of course is in no way saying she would have a better chance into one versus the other. Just that the dynamics would be different.

Regarding the sentence in bold above: Why assume that a woman interested in AI is at all interested in a collegiate experience? Or that she isn't aware of the difference? Not picking on you DubaiSis, just asking the question generally. As an alumna initiate, I can be a bit salty about the way AI inquiries are handled here on GC. I admit that. But I really don't understand why there is always an assumption that women interested in AI are, as Katmandu put it, "trying to re-live your college days." That's not at all what I was looking for, and certainly not what I wanted! I have no desire to act like I'm in college or to be treated as if I were in college. I have no desire to erase my college experience or in any way diminish the choices that I made in college. They were the right choices for me and I have zero regrets or desire to change them.

I do, however, enjoy the friendships and opportunities afforded to me by my alumnae membership. I enjoy the ability to mentor and coach as an advisor. I enjoy the opportunity to meet women in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50, 60s, 70, 80s and 90s who all have some common bond. I enjoy the ability to volunteer on various levels within an international organization. I enjoy knowing that I am part of an organization with deep historical roots, and being able to participate in the ritual that reflects those roots. I wanted an alumna experience. Not a collegiate experience.

This thread isn't about me, of course. But I truly wish that GC could move beyond this assumption that everyone interested in AI wants a "do-over" on their college years. Perhaps it is true for some. But it does us all a disservice to make that assumption for all.