NALFO/NPC

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

It has to do with disregard or apathy. That's the point.

Gotcha...I was reading the previous comments as disdain for the MEMBER who chose to abandon her commitment. You are talking about disregard for the ORGANIZATIONS themselves. Really, though, I think it's less about regard/disregard, and boils down to "follow the money."

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Gotcha...I was reading the previous comments as disdain for the MEMBER who chose to abandon her commitment. You are talking about disregard for the ORGANIZATIONS themselves. Really, though, I think it's less about regard/disregard, and boils down to "follow the money."

"Otherness" refers to not viewing people or organizations as having equal footing and therefore they are of no concern. The result is disregard and apathy. I have always believed, and still believe, that the NPC at the national level and (majority of) chapter levels view themselves as THE sororities. Add to that the fact that NPC sororities are predominantly white and the otherness is both organizational and racial.

Follow what money? My Sorority doesn't prohibit NPC members because we are following money. In fact, we could probably make more money if we accepted the Black women over the years who joined an NPC sorority and then tried to pledge Delta.

[Sen's Revenge]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

"Otherness" refers to not viewing people or organizations as having equal footing and therefore they are of no concern. The result is disregard and apathy. I have always believed, and still believe, that the NPC at the national level and (majority of) chapter levels view themselves as THE sororities. Add to that the fact that NPC sororities are predominantly white and the otherness is both organizational and racial.

Follow what money? My Sorority doesn't prohibit NPC members because we are following money. In fact, we could probably make more money if we accepted the Black women over the years who joined an NPC sorority and then tried to pledge Delta.

I agree with all of this.

Also, white privilege. It's in there somehow.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

"Otherness" refers to not viewing people or organizations as having equal footing and therefore they are of no concern. The result is disregard and apathy. I have always believed, and still believe, that the NPC at the national level and (majority of) chapter levels view themselves as THE sororities. Add to that the fact that NPC sororities are predominantly white and the otherness is both organizational and racial.

Follow what money? My Sorority doesn't prohibit NPC members because we are following money. In fact, we could probably make more money if we accepted the Black women over the years who joined an NPC sorority and then tried to pledge Delta.

I don't disagree with anything you've said here.

My point was that NPC groups will take former NALFO members because the idea of lifelong commitment has very little to do with how/why NPC groups make decisions. That was where "follow the money" came in. You bring up additional reasons we see other groups as unimportant or lesser, and I think they are all true.

[PersistentDST]

Originally Posted by Jinxy13

I've looked all over GC and I haven't found a thread that answers this.

I went through formal recruitment at my school and ended up getting dropped from all the houses. I still really wanted to join a sorority for the sisterhood, and I pledged and was initiated into a NALFO sorority (I will not go into which one) and thought I would fit better there because I am Latina.

After a semester of being in it, I realized that it was not a good fit for me and ended up disaffiliating.

Currently there is a colonizing NPC sorority on my campus that I'm interested in. I know that I could potentially pledge this sorority and it would be allowed, technically, since the other sorority is not NPC. My question is if the sisters in the colonizing sorority would have a problem with it. Since it was not an NPC sorority and I have valid reasons for disaffiliating, do you think that would hurt my chances and the sisters would look down on that? Even if they don't ask, should I take it upon myself to tell them I was previously affiliated with a multicultural sorority or should I keep it to myself if they don't ask?

I only have this concern because they are on the same campus. Please let me know your thoughts.

I asked a friend that is in a NALFO Sorority (not at the school I attended) and is an active alumnae.
"This is upsetting but not surprising. I wish that she would have considered quitting during intake instead of wasting peoples time. I look at it this way (excuse me if I don’t use the proper lingo like you do): Girls who want to be an NPC organizations go into rush not having a clue where they will end up at the end. There is nothing wrong with that system if that is what you want to do. The NPHC interests have to research before they even choose to pursue an organization, and then more research on what they need to do in order to hopefully be selected. And then the chapters also want to get to know the women that are interested in order to make an informed decision. Our organizations mirror that of the NPHC. We don’t want women who just want to be in a sisterhood, we want women who want to be in OUR hermandad! We (and a couple of multicultural groups) worked closely with the NPHC on campus, so we didn’t have interests who were trying to be in both, and if they were it wouldn’t have been a good look anyway. They would’ve been denied. We did some occasional work with NPC/IFC chapters, and unfortunately, we never really talked about things like this. I wish we would have."

[PersistentDST]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I don't disagree with anything you've said here.

My point was that NPC groups will take former NALFO members because the idea of lifelong commitment has very little to do with how/why NPC groups make decisions. That was where "follow the money" came in. You bring up additional reasons we see other groups as unimportant or lesser, and I think they are all true.

The bolded made me rather sad. Why isn't the lifelong commitment not important for decisions? I'm not judging, I am just trying to get an understanding.

[amIblue?]

I really have nothing of significance to add to this thread, but I did want to say that I am really enjoying the conversation.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Actually the reason NPC groups don't do it is because we have a rule against it. The rule was instituted because groups were stealing members from other groups. NPC doesn't happen to have a reciprocal rule with any others. Should we? That's not up to me but it evidently isn't a priority for NPHC and NALFO and NPC at the moment (though I understand some NPHC groups forbid membership in NIC groups and maybe others).

Four of the five NPHC fraternities are also members of the NIC (as are several NALFO fraternities) and as such, they also follow NIC Bylaws. The NIC does not allow duel membership in “general (social) fraternities”. As I understand it, regardless of the conference/council.

However, if a member resigns from a “general” fraternity and seeks membership in a second “general” fraternity, once the second fraternity has been formally notified in writing by the national office of the first fraternity that the candidate is no longer a member, then he may be initiated into the second fraternity – but only if the second fraternity (or chapter) allows it. In other words, while the NIC may allow it, a specific fraternity (or chapter) may not.

ETA: I saw MysticCat already replied. (Perhaps I should read the thread to the end before replying.)

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by PersistentDST

The bolded made me rather sad. Why isn't the lifelong commitment not important for decisions? I'm not judging, I am just trying to get an understanding.

IMO, I think many NPC members go into sorority life thinking it is for college only and have socializing and parties as their main reasons for wanting to be part of a sorority. (Think about how often NPCers on GC correct alumnae from saying I "was" an ABC.) Others may have a different opinion.

[DrPhil]

Which NPC sororities prohibit PNMs who are members of NPHC sororities?

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by PersistentDST

The bolded made me rather sad. Why isn't the lifelong commitment not important for decisions? I'm not judging, I am just trying to get an understanding.

Probably because many NPC groups have multi-million dollar housing on a lot of campuses. Operating those houses is a huge financial commitment, and keeping them full is critical. I'm not aware of any non-NPC groups that have this same issue.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Which NPC sororities prohibit PNMs who are members of NPHC sororities?

None. NPC groups have no such restrictions. It's just for other NPC groups.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by PersistentDST

The bolded made me rather sad. Why isn't the lifelong commitment not important for decisions? I'm not judging, I am just trying to get an understanding.

It is but we, the NPC groups, don't "do" that as well as the NPHC groups. I've always envied that about you!

[navane]

Originally Posted by PersistentDST

The bolded made me rather sad. Why isn't the lifelong commitment not important for decisions? I'm not judging, I am just trying to get an understanding.

I need to tread lightly as I don't want to get into membership selection; but, in my experience in my particular sorority, a PNM's willingness to make a lifetime commitment is taken into consideration. Our motto is "Love, Labor, Learning, Loyalty".

[tld221]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

And I'm saying it's got nothing to do with "disdain." As soon as NALFO groups start stealing an appreciable number of women from NPC groups, it will benefit NPC groups to form an agreement with NALFO. Until then, we can argue all we want about lifetime commitments, but that's not the driving factor for the NPC UA and it won't be enough to make a rule about not pledging former members of NALFO groups.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

It has to do with disregard or apathy. That's the point.

NPHC GLOs such as Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. didn't start prohibiting women who are members of NPC sororities because of a huge amount of Black women joining predominantly white sororities. Please believe it. It stemmed from a very small but noticeable trend of Black women using NPC sororities to get to Delta over the years. This warranted a national policy that includes NPHC and NPC. Individual chapters of Delta continue to expand the national policy to include MCGLO, LGLO, AGLO, BGLO sororities based on the lifetime commitment of other GLOs at their school or in their city.

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Gotcha...I was reading the previous comments as disdain for the MEMBER who chose to abandon her commitment. You are talking about disregard for the ORGANIZATIONS themselves. Really, though, I think it's less about regard/disregard, and boils down to "follow the money."

Originally Posted by DrPhil

"Otherness" refers to not viewing people or organizations as having equal footing and therefore they are of no concern. The result is disregard and apathy. I have always believed, and still believe, that the NPC at the national level and (majority of) chapter levels view themselves as THE sororities. Add to that the fact that NPC sororities are predominantly white and the otherness is both organizational and racial.

Follow what money? My Sorority doesn't prohibit NPC members because we are following money. In fact, we could probably make more money if we accepted the Black women over the years who joined an NPC sorority and then tried to pledge Delta.

Originally Posted by Sen's Revenge

I agree with all of this.

Also, white privilege. It's in there somehow.

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I don't disagree with anything you've said here.

My point was that NPC groups will take former NALFO members because the idea of lifelong commitment has very little to do with how/why NPC groups make decisions. That was where "follow the money" came in. You bring up additional reasons we see other groups as unimportant or lesser, and I think they are all true.

YES - this is what I was getting at through hazy eyes at 3am.

And again, I say, whether NPC groups make membership selection decisions based on lifelong commitment or not, there is a level of respect we* should expect from NPC groups to respect the lifelong commitment Paola PNM made to XYZ Sorority, Incorporada AS MUCH as if Paola just depledged from the ABC house she (may or may not have committed her life to) her freshman year.

Even if Paola chucked the deuces and was upfront about it at rush as an upperclassmen, even if there's no UA between NPCs and NALFOs/NPHCs.

A chapter would hypothetically take Paola PNM, formerly of XYZ, because she's a means to fill the house and make money? I might be crossing into MS territory but... bruh.



*(and here, "we" being primarily NALFO/NPHC orgs, then the larger greek community)