The Help - Page 4

DrPhil · #46 08-11-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LaneSig

But the problem is, just because it was a "big part of people's lives" doesn't mean it was a big part of someone else's life experiences; even it was such a huge event in other's experiences.

I am not talking about life experiences.

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Originally Posted by LaneSig

Truly not being sarcastic, but people are raised by other people who may not emphasize certain aspects of history or other experiences. I honestly don't remember much being taught about the Civil Rights movement or the effects of Jim Crow laws when I was growing up.

I consider that pathetic.

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Originally Posted by LaneSig

My point (and I do have one) is that you seem to be taking offense with someone....

No.

LaneSig · #47 08-11-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

I am not talking about life experiences.

I consider that pathetic.

No.

Point, can I introduce you to Dr. Phil? She seems to not have seen you.

DrPhil · #48 08-11-2011, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by LaneSig

Point, can I introduce you to Dr. Phil? She seems to not have seen you.

Actually, I was explaining my original post to rhoyaltempest. You chose to share your thoughts and I responded to them. Go away now.

LaneSig · #49 08-11-2011, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Actually, I was explaining my original post to rhoyaltempest. You chose to share your thoughts and I responded to them. Go away now.

Sorry about that. I thought you would be interested learning about the experiences of other people instead of ignoring them. Because of, you know, how pathetic it is to ignore what other people's experiences and opinions are. Enjoy your day.

DrPhil · #50 08-11-2011, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by LaneSig

Sorry about that. I thought you would be interested learning about the experiences of other people instead of ignoring them. Because of, you know, how pathetic it is to ignore what other people's experiences and opinions are. Enjoy your day.

You assumed that you were in the position to teach something. The irony of that in THIS thread is amusingly overwhelming. Save the lessons for when you are the most knowledgeable person in the room.

LaneSig · #51 08-11-2011, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

You assumed that you were in the position to teach something. The irony of that in THIS thread is amusingly overwhelming. Save the lessons for when you are the most knowledgeable person in the room.

I've never assumed anything in life except that water is wet. I would never claim to be the most knowledgeable on anything. My point was that the original poster is now interested in an aspect of history that she had never learned about and that is a good thing.

DrPhil · #52 08-11-2011, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LaneSig

I've never assumed anything in life except that water is wet. I would never claim to be the most knowledgeable on anything.

Then you just pretended to think you could teach about different life experiences and other oppressed populations. Great.

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My point was that the original poster is now interested in an aspect of history that she had never learned about and that is a good thing.

You consider that a good thing. I do not. We are back to the beginning. Great.

LaneSig · #53 08-11-2011, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

You consider that a good thing. I do not. We are back to the beginning. Great.

You say tomato. I say tomato.

Doesn't quite have the same meaning when it's typed out.

DrPhil · #54 08-11-2011, 11:27 AM

I like to read MSN movie reviews, usually before and after I see certain movies.

Reviews and spoilers don't stop me from seeing movies that I am excited to see.

(I assume this hasn't already been posted)

Critics' Reviews:

http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie-c...iews/the-help/

User Reviews:

http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie-u...e-help/?ipp=15

LXA SE285 · #55 08-11-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonTide4

I read the book when it was first released and didn't recall anything of critical importance missing.

Just curious, as someone who hasn't read the book: How did you—and others—feel about the author's use of dialect?

rhoyaltempest · #56 08-11-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

Amen.

from one writer to another.

rhoyaltempest · #57 08-11-2011, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

I don't consider this movie to be just entertainment. There is too much meaning behind it to be merely entertaining.

The commercials are making the movie seem more feel good (smartass Black helpers are funny enough for a commercial or two).. That's how they are able to get people to be excited about this movie. They take bits and pieces of the movie even if they misrepresent the movie. Meaning, white people (who will be the main supporters of this film) would not see this movie if they didn't make it seem funny and lighthearted.

Yeah, that's crazy to me that anyone could consider such stories as pure entertainment (especially when it's a reflection of a true story - Stockett's family).

agzg · #58 08-11-2011, 12:45 PM

I've really been avoiding both this book and movie. Should I suck it up? I read a review of the book a while ago (it was on my list) and the "white savior" thing turned me off.

rhoyaltempest · #59 08-11-2011, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

I didn't say I was happy for that.

I said "...to have the privilege to now be interested in an era...." That means it is a sign of privilege (the same type of privilege that allows some people to pretend that movies like this could only be entertainment) to be oblivious about something that has been such a big part of people's lives. That isn't a good thing and it doesn't make me happy. I consider it pathetic.

ETA: For those who don't know, "sad," "pathetic," or "a sign of privilege," in this instance is not about taking offense with someone. It is about overarching dynamics that span across individuals; and what is embedded in these dynamics. Newsflash: Topics pertaining to race and ethnicity do not require taking offense with someone.

I feel you. I've come across so many that aren't interested that when someone is interested, I guess I'm initially happy about it. I also put a lot of blame on the American education system. Every child should learn about those topics just as we all learned about others, from our history books. Most white families just aren't going to bring these things up if they don't have to and I do find this problematic but I also find it problematic that this history isn't discussed in some Black households...so I think I have more of a problem with the latter.

DrPhil · #60 08-11-2011, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

Yeah, that's crazy to me that anyone could consider such stories as pure entertainment (especially when it's a reflection of a true story - Stockett's family).

It really goes back to what you said about it being sad.

A movie can be a good movie without it being only entertainment. "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner," "Carmen Jones," "Imitation of Life," "The Color Purple" are among the movies that I absolutely love and have watched over and over again all of my life. But, they aren't just entertaining. They reinforced some of what I was always taught (even when the schools didn't teach it) and what I always saw.