we have started a sorority! - Page 4

AnotherKD · #1 10-01-2010, 08:40 AM

So, she lied about her age. She came clean about it. I can forgive that. The worst thing is that she can't come up with her own shit. Taking a little bit out of other established sororities' colors, mottos, etc to create a different sorority is bull.

IrishLake · #2 10-01-2010, 09:13 AM

Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
Heck, look at all the similarities between Theta and Fiji. Pretty sure the Fiji's don't hate us for it.
She's 15. She wants to be a sorority girl. I would just encourage her to consider revising some symbols so she isn't getting too similar to the US counterparts. They're new, so not a big deal to change.

rhoyaltempest · #3 10-01-2010, 10:22 AM

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Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
Heck, look at all the similarities between Theta and Fiji. Pretty sure the Fiji's don't hate us for it.
She's 15. She wants to be a sorority girl. I would just encourage her to consider revising some symbols so she isn't getting too similar to the US counterparts. They're new, so not a big deal to change.

You can believe this all you want but some of us see it for the LIE that it truly is.

DrPhil · #4 10-01-2010, 11:04 AM

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You can believe this all you want but some of us see it for the LIE that it truly is.

Exactly.

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Missing the point. The difference is that our founders/members didn't peruse through various websites looking specifically at others' information before coming up with their own. You know exactly what is meant by "STEAL" and you know that's what happens with many of these new orgs. Why be creative and spend an extensive amount of time coming up with stuff, when you can visit websites with all the info you need?

Exactly.

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If the internet had existed when our organizations were founded, who knows what our organizations would be like? Most of our organizations borrowed heavily from masonic rituals, was that stealing?

Some organizations have masonic influences, not because they were scrounging around for ideas, but for other reasons.

Generally speaking, NPHC founders had information about the other NPHC organizations. They didn't need the Internet for that basic info. And they didn't confuse paying respect to an organization with stealing from an organization.

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. When it comes to mascots and colors, there are so many parts of our organizations that are far more meaningful. And it's not ritual being "stolen". I do not believe it is stealing.

What the heck are you rolling your eyes about?

Speak for yourself and how you feel about the publicized symbols for your organization.

Alumiyum · #5 10-01-2010, 11:49 AM

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Exactly.

Exactly.

Some organizations have masonic influences, not because they were scrounging around for ideas, but for other reasons.

Generally speaking, NPHC founders had information about the other NPHC organizations. They didn't need the Internet for that basic info. And they didn't confuse paying respect to an organization with stealing from an organization.

What the heck are you rolling your eyes about?

Speak for yourself and how you feel about the publicized symbols for your organization.

And you are speaking for yourself.

Here are some official symbols, colors, and jewels I can think of that are shared just in NPC sororities:
white (3), blue (6), green (4), red (4), pink (3), teddy bear (2), owl (2), dolphin (2), lion (2), carnations (4), roses (4), violets (3), pearl (4)
And I know more than one has the diamond as a jewel.

These are just the ones I know of off the top of my head through friends...I'm sure there are many more examples.

DrPhil · #6 10-01-2010, 01:54 PM

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And you are speaking for yourself.

You're admitting that you're speaking yourself. Good.

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Here are some official symbols, colors, and jewels I can think of that are shared just in NPC sororities:
white (3), blue (6), green (4), red (4), pink (3), teddy bear (2), owl (2), dolphin (2), lion (2), carnations (4), roses (4), violets (3), pearl (4)
And I know more than one has the diamond as a jewel.

What does that have to do with anything? This is how I know that you don't understand what we mean by "stealing." It isn't just about choosing a teddy bear or choosing a pearl.

DubaiSis · #7 10-01-2010, 11:39 AM

Maybe it's the former journalism student in me, but I had to take a whole class on libel, slander and plagiarism. No, it's not the end of the world, and I'm sure that locals that start with the intention of being absorbed by a national borrow heavily. But it is stealing intellectual property, even if the statute of limitations has passed. When the number of similarities starts to get too much to be coincidence (Alpha Xi's colors AND mascot? 3 of KD's principles?) then it has stepped over the line. The question becomes does anyone care? I guess I don't. If this sorority ever becomes anything substantial, it will get absorbed be a British or American organization with more structure. Or it becomes a thorn in the side of Alpha Xi and KD and a big ugly across the pond law suit ensues. But we all know that more likely, it just fades into the sunset like your secret club that met in the fort in your back yard.

I'd like to see them come up with some more individualized themes and symbols. Maybe read a book on symbology (am I making up words again?) or read the thread about crests and coats of arms. Maybe this group will come up with something that hadn't occurred to them before. And dare I say it, learn something in the process. I just googled "friendship symbols" and got some interesting options, some of which I don't think are already being used. Does anybody use the frog? Or an orange rose? Just saying, this little call out on our behalf might spur these girls to a smidge more creativity. I still wish them the best of luck. And maybe get a history professor involved.

agzg · #8 10-01-2010, 11:46 AM

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I'd like to see them come up with some more individualized themes and symbols. Maybe read a book on symbology (am I making up words again?) or read the thread about crests and coats of arms. Maybe this group will come up with something that hadn't occurred to them before. And dare I say it, learn something in the process. I just googled "friendship symbols" and got some interesting options, some of which I don't think are already being used. Does anybody use the frog? Or an orange rose? Just saying, this little call out on our behalf might spur these girls to a smidge more creativity. I still wish them the best of luck. And maybe get a history professor involved.

Emily Helen Butterfield wrote a book called College Fraternity Heraldry which I've heard is quite interesting and wonderful.

/Shameless founder plug.

TheMightyPen · #9 10-01-2010, 11:48 AM

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I'd like to see them come up with some more individualized themes and symbols. Maybe read a book on symbology (am I making up words again?) or read the thread about crests and coats of arms. Maybe this group will come up with something that hadn't occurred to them before. And dare I say it, learn something in the process. I just googled "friendship symbols" and got some interesting options, some of which I don't think are already being used. Does anybody use the frog? Or an orange rose? Just saying, this little call out on our behalf might spur these girls to a smidge more creativity. I still wish them the best of luck. And maybe get a history professor involved.

Great suggestions DubaiSis! Why would anyone ever want to be part of an organization that lacks originality? In a world consisting of billions of people, there has to be other ways to express yourself and your beliefs without borrowing...

IrishLake · #10 10-01-2010, 12:36 PM

What I'm seeing is a 15 year old girl who is being slammed for being a lying, theiving, stealing soandso. Instead of getting negative, how about we provide this girl with guidence and a positive influence? Many GLOs out there had an advisor or guide who was a member of a DIFFERENT GLO helping them during their initial years. I see this as an opportunity to help an ambitious young girl in a foreign country. Yep, she lied, but it seems only out of fear that none of us would take her seriously. Yep, she was a little overly inspired in some symbols, colors and mottos. But that doesn't mean we cant give her some insight.

Alumiyum · #11 10-01-2010, 12:40 PM

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What I'm seeing is a 15 year old girl who is being slammed for being a lying, theiving, stealing soandso. Instead of getting negative, how about we provide this girl with guidence and a positive influence? Many GLOs out there had an advisor or guide who was a member of a DIFFERENT GLO helping them during their initial years. I see this as an opportunity to help an ambitious young girl in a foreign country. Yep, she lied, but it seems only out of fear that none of us would take her seriously. Yep, she was a little overly inspired in some symbols, colors and mottos. But that doesn't mean we cant give her some insight.

Thumbs up.

steelerbear · #12 10-01-2010, 01:32 PM

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What I'm seeing is a 15 year old girl who is being slammed for being a lying, theiving, stealing soandso. Instead of getting negative, how about we provide this girl with guidence and a positive influence? Many GLOs out there had an advisor or guide who was a member of a DIFFERENT GLO helping them during their initial years. I see this as an opportunity to help an ambitious young girl in a foreign country. Yep, she lied, but it seems only out of fear that none of us would take her seriously. Yep, she was a little overly inspired in some symbols, colors and mottos. But that doesn't mean we cant give her some insight.

This.

I, for one, am excited that the OP has taken the initiative, along with her friends, to start a sorority. It's a step up from grade school playground clubs, at the very least, so let's start treating her as a step up, k? K.

At any rate. Congrats on getting your group going! I'm interested to see how it progresses, and I certainly wish you the best.

DrPhil · #13 10-01-2010, 01:58 PM

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Instead of getting negative, how about we provide this girl with guidence and a positive influence? Many GLOs out there had an advisor or guide who was a member of a DIFFERENT GLO helping them during their initial years. I see this as an opportunity to help an ambitious young girl in a foreign country. Yep, she lied, but it seems only out of fear that none of us would take her seriously. Yep, she was a little overly inspired in some symbols, colors and mottos. But that doesn't mean we cant give her some insight.

This thread is really not about this child anymore.

People have actually given her advice in this thread. If she isn't old enough or smart enough to grasp the advice, she shouldn't be starting a sorority in the first place.

Drolefille · #14 10-01-2010, 01:37 PM

There is a difference between plagiarism and coming to the same conclusion on your own. Similarly there is a difference between lifting colors/symbols/mascots/phrases and coming up with similar ideals on your own.

One is better than the other.

peanutbex · #15 10-01-2010, 03:00 PM

I would like to take an opportunity to thank those of you who have shown me support despite my childish lie. Just to set the record straight I had never even heard of Alpha Xi so the fact that our colours and mascot are similar is truly a coincidence. I did take some lines from Kappa Delta but that was just while I started up our site. The Omega Zeta blog is not searchable so no one was supposed to see it until we had decided on our opening blog entry. Once again I apologise and thank you for the support.