NYC community board OKs ground zero mosque plans

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This is not in the realm of the Federal government, correct? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I've tried to keep up with this but I care less everyday.

He really should of left it alone, and NO it's not in the realm of the Federal government. The only instance where I could see the Gov's getting involved in this is if NYC or the state had banned the construction of the mosque, which they didn't. This muslim group itself confuses me. They claim to be a community outreach center devoted to the understanding of Islam yet they seem oblivious to the outrage they are stirring up with all of this. Talk about getting off on the wrong foot.

[Animate]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

He really should of left it alone, and NO it's not in the realm of the Federal government. The only instance where I could see the Gov's getting involved in this is if NYC or the state had banned the construction of the mosque, which they didn't. This muslim group itself confuses me. They claim to be a community outreach center devoted to the understanding of Islam yet they seem oblivious to the outrage they are stirring up with all of this. Talk about getting off on the wrong foot.

I honestly think they are well aware of things. For so long people have been wanting Muslims to make an effort to openly stand against the the extremists of Islam, and to me that is what they are attempting.

Now that they are doing so they are being told "Not here" please.

As fare as the President goes...learn when to be quiet man! It's not a federal issue at all.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Animate

It's not a federal issue at all.

right.

[MasTNX]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

He really should of left it alone, and NO it's not in the realm of the Federal government. The only instance where I could see the Gov's getting involved in this is if NYC or the state had banned the construction of the mosque, which they didn't. This muslim group itself confuses me. They claim to be a community outreach center devoted to the understanding of Islam yet they seem oblivious to the outrage they are stirring up with all of this. Talk about getting off on the wrong foot.

It's an election year, I doubt THEY are the ones stirring up trouble. Even the name "Ground Zero Mosque" strums up too much emotion and almost paints a picture. I believe that it was a trained political team that constructed this mass hysteria about plans that have been in the works for years.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by MasTNX

It's an election year, I doubt THEY are the ones stirring up trouble. Even the name "Ground Zero Mosque" strums up too much emotion and almost paints a picture. I believe that it was a trained political team that constructed this mass hysteria about plans that have been in the works for years.

Agree, this is the bottom line.

[agzg]

I just really don't think that a JCC or a YMCA (or "Y", now) would meet this type of criticism. So I don't think they need to care about the relative proximity to Ground Zero.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by agzg

I just really don't think that a JCC or a YMCA (or "Y", now) would meet this type of criticism. So I don't think they need to care about the relative proximity to Ground Zero.

I can understand why people who lost someone in the attacks, for example, feel so strongly about the location. I see that viewpoint, I just don't agree with it because you're right, if it was a JCC or YMCA it wouldn't cause this type of uproar. They have the right to worship where they please.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

He really should of left it alone, and NO it's not in the realm of the Federal government.

Originally Posted by Animate

As fare as the President goes...learn when to be quiet man! It's not a federal issue at all.

The fact that it's not a federal issue is sort of beside the point. It's definitely a political issue, and the president is a political as well as a governmental official. Then there's the whole bully-pulpit thing.

It's a no-win situation. If a he says nothing, he'll be pilloried by political opponents (and perhaps by political allies) for not taking a stand on the issue. If he says something, he'll be pilloried for what he says. If he says "it's not a federal issue" he'll be criticized for not taking a stand.

It's politics.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

It's politics.

Ya don't say!

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

I can understand why people who lost someone in the attacks, for example, feel so strongly about the location. I see that viewpoint, I just don't agree with it because you're right, if it was a JCC or YMCA it wouldn't cause this type of uproar. They have the right to worship where they please.

There are also people who lost loved ones who are in favor of it. Calling on the memory of the victims as a means to decry this effort is emotionally abusive and one-sided.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

There are also people who lost loved ones who are in favor of it. Calling on the memory of the victims as a means to decry this effort is emotionally abusive and one-sided.

Right, and as I said I disagree with them. But I can see that viewpoint, regardless of my own feelings.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

Right, and as I said I disagree with them. But I can see that viewpoint, regardless of my own feelings.

I was agreeing!

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by agzg

I just really don't think that a JCC or a YMCA (or "Y", now) would meet this type of criticism. So I don't think they need to care about the relative proximity to Ground Zero.

Well, of course, and I don't understand why people keep bringing up the JCC and YMCA. Agree or disagree, there are some basic concepts that should be understood:

This is a topic because it is a Mosque.
This is a topic because Muslim is not the dominant religion in America.
This is a topic because terrorists who claim to be Muslim committed a terrorist act.
This is a topic because a new Mosque (what it will include doesn't erase the religious component) is going to be built where many consider to be near Ground Zero.
This is a topic because it pisses many Americans off, including those who are well informed about the topic.

This is arguably not just about Islam and a mosque being built because a mosque being built in an area with a Muslim population and where "Ground Zero" is not in the same sentence may not have received so much attention. Similar would happen if terrorists who claimed to be Christian committed a terrorist act in a country, where Christianity is not the dominant religion, and planned on building a church a few blocks from the attack. And, no, "Christian outreach gone awry" doesn't count.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

And, no, "Christian outreach gone awry" doesn't count.

I understood you to this point. What does this mean?

[epchick]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This is a topic because Muslim is not the dominant religion in America.

I know you know this (and probably just typed the wrong word) but the religion is Islam. A Muslim is someone who follows Islam.