McCain's Black Relatives

[Kevin]

I thought this thread was supposed to be over on post 14 or 26?

PM_Mama, I don't think "they" (my, that is a loaded word) said anything about being owed anything. There might be a few fringe wackos who get publicity every now and then carrying on about 'reparations,' but to say that all blacks are in favor of that, I think would be overstating things. (but who is ever opposed to free money so long as they don't have to pay?)

No, slavery wasn't really over 150 years ago... heck... my father's stepfather's uncle still had what were essentially slaves well into the 1960's, still living on the plantation, still living in the same housing their forefathers occupied prior to the Civil War, working on the farm in exchange for company script only redeemable at the company store -- only a small violation of the FLSA there. The legacy of slavery is still well alive today. I really don't think that's disputable.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by Phrozen1ne

Exactly my point DS. People.....f#$k the stats, I never stated that all whites owned slaves. To say a small percentage did is bull too. I am just not shocked if I ran into someone whose ancestors did have slaves, whether they be Black, White, American Indian, etc. I never said that made McCain or Obama a bad person. If Nat Turner was related to me, does that mean I am a bad person, no.

You do realize that your very own ancestors owned slaves, correct?

Very few of the slaves were simply caught by white folks with net or something, most were enslaved by rival tribes and then sold to the white folks.

It may be your own family.

[XSK_Diamond]

You are so wrong on so many levels for writing this... stuff.

Nobody HERE said anything about being owed anything, first of all. Secondly, just because SOME black Americans call for reparations, and other things, doesn't mean that we ALL do! We are not the doggone Borg! We do not share a collective conscious and we do not all do ANYTHING alike.

And, for the record, YES these other ethnic groups DO speak up loudly when they feel they are being disrespected. A prime example is I never see/hear/read anyone saying the same thing about the Anti-Defamation League, or other Jewish groups, when they get their britches in a knot about something.

Freudian slips really aren't slips.

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Thank you for bringing this up. African Americans aren't the only ones in the world who have been tortured and killed, but you don't see these other races and nationalities constantly up in arms that someone somewhere owes them something.

And we should remember, many people in this country came here after in the 1900s. They didn't own slaves.

[XSK_Diamond]

Slavery has almost always existed. That cannot be disputed. But, to toss out that Africans owned slaves in an attempt to diminish the impact of American slavery is fallacious. West African slavery was not anything like American slavery. America took slavery, and the slave trade, to a level of barbarity that was unprecedented. You should do some research, because you're way off the mark on this.

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

You do realize that your very own ancestors owned slaves, correct?

Very few of the slaves were simply caught by white folks with net or something, most were enslaved by rival tribes and then sold to the white folks.

It may be your own family.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Thank you for bringing this up. African Americans aren't the only ones in the world who have been tortured and killed, but you don't see these other races and nationalities constantly up in arms that someone somewhere owes them something.

And we should remember, many people in this country came here after in the 1900s. They didn't own slaves.

Huh? The article, that was in this month's Marie Claire, was actually about how the relationship couldn't last because of the tension.

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by XSK_Diamond

Slavery has almost always existed. That cannot be disputed. But, to toss out that Africans owned slaves in an attempt to diminish the impact of American slavery is fallacious. West African slavery was not anything like American slavery. America took slavery, and the slave trade, to a level of barbarity that was unprecedented. You should do some research, because you're way off the mark on this.

You're arguing with him about a point he isn't making. He isn't talking about African tribes owning slaves, he is saying that's how the American slaves got here. There wasn't much in the way of white slave catchers in Africa. African tribes would go to war with a neighboring tribe, and then the winner would trade the other tribe to slave-ship owners for goods.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

You're arguing with him about a point he isn't making. He isn't talking about African tribes owning slaves, he is saying that's how the American slaves got here. There wasn't much in the way of white slave catchers in Africa. African tribes would go to war with a neighboring tribe, and then the winner would trade the other tribe to slave-ship owners for goods.

thus that is why you need to do your homework...slavery as it was known in Africa back in the olden days was nowhere near as brutal and dehumanizing as chattel slavery was in US.

In some cases, being a slave among some African tribes gave you a better lot in life than if you stayed free amongst your kinsmen.

And I state again, altho that period is over with, there is still the issue of some of the deeply seeded behavior that still exists among blacks and whites in our country.

[XSK_Diamond]

What DaemonSeed said.

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

You're arguing with him about a point he isn't making. He isn't talking about African tribes owning slaves, he is saying that's how the American slaves got here. There wasn't much in the way of white slave catchers in Africa. African tribes would go to war with a neighboring tribe, and then the winner would trade the other tribe to slave-ship owners for goods.

[XSK_Diamond]

Right on!

Makes you wanna holla sometimes, doesn't it?

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

thus that is why you need to do your homework...slavery as it was known in Africa back in the olden days was nowhere near as brutal and dehumanizing as chattel slavery was in US.

In some cases, being a slave among some African tribes gave you a better lot in life than if you stayed free amongst your kinsmen.

And I state again, altho that period is over with, there is still the issue of some of the deeply seeded behavior that still exists among blacks and whites in our country.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by XSK_Diamond

Right on!

Makes you wanna holla sometimes, doesn't it?

Some people just don't get it.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I thought this thread was supposed to be over on post 14 or 26?

PM_Mama, I don't think "they" (my, that is a loaded word) said anything about being owed anything. There might be a few fringe wackos who get publicity every now and then carrying on about 'reparations,' but to say that all blacks are in favor of that, I think would be overstating things. (but who is ever opposed to free money so long as they don't have to pay?)

No, slavery wasn't really over 150 years ago... heck... my father's stepfather's uncle still had what were essentially slaves well into the 1960's, still living on the plantation, still living in the same housing their forefathers occupied prior to the Civil War, working on the farm in exchange for company script only redeemable at the company store -- only a small violation of the FLSA there. The legacy of slavery is still well alive today. I really don't think that's disputable.

I read a story over the summer about that....how some people living in some sections of South and Mid West still had Black families working for them and in one case I read, had them inbreeding....disgusting.

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

thus that is why you need to do your homework...slavery as it was known in Africa back in the olden days was nowhere near as brutal and dehumanizing as chattel slavery was in US.

In some cases, being a slave among some African tribes gave you a better lot in life than if you stayed free amongst your kinsmen.

And I state again, altho that period is over with, there is still the issue of some of the deeply seeded behavior that still exists among blacks and whites in our country.

And now you're arguing with me about a point I wasn't making either. I don't give a rats ass what slavery in Africa was like, it doesn't change the fact that it was other Africans who sold them onto the damn boats.



Some people just don't get it. And it makes you want to holler sometimes, doesn't it.

[Phrozen1ne]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

You do realize that your very own ancestors owned slaves, correct?

Very few of the slaves were simply caught by white folks with net or something, most were enslaved by rival tribes and then sold to the white folks.

It may be your own family.

Yes I do and that is why I stated such. Please learn to read.

[Phrozen1ne]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

And I state again, altho that period is over with, there is still the issue of some of the deeply seeded behavior that still exists among blacks and whites in our country.

Which is apparent in this thread.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by XSK_Diamond

Slavery has almost always existed. That cannot be disputed. But, to toss out that Africans owned slaves in an attempt to diminish the impact of American slavery is fallacious. West African slavery was not anything like American slavery. America took slavery, and the slave trade, to a level of barbarity that was unprecedented. You should do some research, because you're way off the mark on this.

African slavery was just as bad as American slavery in a lot of cases if you actually do the research, its just convenient to say that it wasn't barbaric.
There were black slave owners in America too.