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02-12-2011, 01:51 AM
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Yes, some of those pictures of crossbreeds are terribly cute. Especially he ones that are crossbred with my silly little terrier's breed. That being said, responsible champion breeders (read not puppy mill or oh I wanted my children to experience the miracle of life idiots) work toward making the breed more vigorous and test extensively for known breed issues. They are also really into that breed. Why in hell would they want to breed their dogs to those of another breed for the sake of coming up with some hot for the moment mix? Yes, there are a couple of crossbreeds that have become popular (labradoodle comes to mind), but come on. So I don't believe that the top breeders are doing this. AND, if a crossbreed puppy comes from two purebreds that exhibit breed specific issues, i.e., temperment, heart, hip, respiratory, etc. issues, you can't tell me the puppy will not exhibit any of those problems and will automatically be healthier than any purebred.
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Money money money money. MONEY.
Well that's the reason for the crossbreeders, it's probably very rare for the responsible ones to flip for the cash, though I'm sure it's happened once or twice.
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02-12-2011, 01:58 AM
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THAT "scientist" is making THIS scientist do a facepalm.
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02-14-2011, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by southbymidwest
Yes, some of those pictures of crossbreeds are terribly cute. Especially he ones that are crossbred with my silly little terrier's breed. That being said, responsible champion breeders (read not puppy mill or oh I wanted my children to experience the miracle of life idiots) work toward making the breed more vigorous and test extensively for known breed issues. They are also really into that breed. Why in hell would they want to breed their dogs to those of another breed for the sake of coming up with some hot for the moment mix? Yes, there are a couple of crossbreeds that have become popular (labradoodle comes to mind), but come on. So I don't believe that the top breeders are doing this. AND, if a crossbreed puppy comes from two purebreds that exhibit breed specific issues, i.e., temperment, heart, hip, respiratory, etc. issues, you can't tell me the puppy will not exhibit any of those problems and will automatically be healthier than any purebred.
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The real problem is that way that the closed pedigree system is set up pretty much guarantees that an already small gene pool continues to shrink each year. This is often exacerbated by overuse of popular studs (particularly now that artificial insemination is widely available) and line breeding to try and "fix" certain characteristics, which further reduces the overall degree of genetic diversity. Then you have the added problems of extreme interpretations of breed standard producing physiological exaggerations that can be deleterious to the dog's health and welfare (excessively short noses, bulging eyes, long backs etc).
As far as crossbreds are concerned, Labradoodles are a good example of crossbred breeders who are trying to do it right. Their breed clubs have been set up with the aim to try and remedy some of the mistakes that purebred breeders have made in the past, and avoid the health problems that plague certain breeds. The ILA (International Labradoodle Association) was the first (and perhaps still the only) dog club to make DNA testing for genetic diseases such as PRA (Progressive Retinal Atrophy, which causes blindness) mandatory. They made health and temperament (and not appearance) the priority in their breed standard. They also set strict limits on how closely related breeding dogs can be (in the purebred world, father/daughter and sister/brother breedings are not that uncommon).
If you haven't seen it already, there is an excellent documentary on the health problems in purebreds, "Pedigree Dogs Exposed" at http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/44215931
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02-14-2011, 09:24 AM
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No one wants to watch your myspace videos.
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02-14-2011, 09:26 AM
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No one wants to watch your myspace videos.
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It's not mine - it's the BBC 
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02-14-2011, 09:28 AM
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Exactly. This is one thread on a board dedicated to something completely different that someone only posted to say "OMG! How redic!" in the first place.
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02-14-2011, 09:33 AM
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The BBC should know better than to post on myspace.
OH WAIT. Stop linking pirated videos. Also stop extrapolating what's happening in the UK with the RSPCA with the rest of the world.
No we won't support your efforts to crossbreed newer and better labradorks.
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02-14-2011, 09:43 AM
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The BBC should know better than to post on myspace. OH WAIT. Stop linking pirated videos.
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No problem. Here's another link:
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/pedigree-dogs-exposed/
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02-14-2011, 09:47 AM
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Because someone else putting it on youtube is totally better. Never mind that NO ONE WANTS TO WATCH YOUR DOCUMENTARY.
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02-14-2011, 09:49 AM
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Here's the thing...unless you are a sorority member, or planning on AIing one (please don't), it's time for you to move on, bless your heart. Bye, now.
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02-14-2011, 09:53 AM
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Because someone else putting it on youtube is totally better. Never mind that NO ONE WANTS TO WATCH YOUR DOCUMENTARY.
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No need to yell. I'm sure there must be an ignore button somewhere on this forum if I'm annoying you. Life is too short
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02-14-2011, 10:00 AM
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No need to yell. I'm sure there must be an ignore button somewhere on this forum if I'm annoying you. Life is too short |
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Here's the thing...unless you are a sorority member, or planning on AIing one (please don't), it's time for you to move on, bless your heart. Bye, now.
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Here's the thing...unless you are a sorority member, or planning on AIing one (please don't), it's time for you to move on, bless your heart. Bye, now.
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Here's the thing...unless you are a sorority member, or planning on AIing one (please don't), it's time for you to move on, bless your heart. Bye, now.
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You don't take hints very well, do you?
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02-14-2011, 10:03 AM
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Here's the thing...unless you are a sorority member, or planning on AIing one (please don't), it's time for you to move on, bless your heart. Bye, now.
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That tag-team thing the two of you have going is cute. I'm sure there is also a report button if you feel the need
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02-14-2011, 02:03 PM
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No need to yell. I'm sure there must be an ignore button somewhere on this forum if I'm annoying you. Life is too short |
I assumed you were blind and was trying to help you out. Now I know you're just obtuse.
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02-14-2011, 05:18 PM
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I assumed you were blind and was trying to help you out. Now I know you're just obtuse.
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As I said, it's a pity issues related to animal health and welfare can't be discussed without some people resorting to personal attacks.
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