Indiana University 2014 Recruitment

[silver_blue]

Originally Posted by Griffins&Quills

And I feel for these girls, I do, but how many of these girls who attended pref didn't maximize their options. I've seen a lot of Sally PNM suicided this chapter, and Susy PNM wrote down 2 of her 3, in this thread. IU or not, that still affects bid matching....

We talked about this a few pages ago, there are lots and lots of women (think hundreds) who maximize their options and still go bidless at IU. This isn't a school with normal quota.

I agree with you typically at any other school, but at IU there are so many PNMs who do all the things Greek Chat recommends and still end up bidless and that's why we really think something needs to change.

[Iu mom]

Originally Posted by silver_blue

We talked about this a few pages ago, there are lots and lots of women (think hundreds) who maximize their options and still go bidless at IU. This isn't a school with normal quota.

I agree with you typically at any other school, but at IU there are so many PNMs who do all the things Greek Chat recommends and still end up bidless and that's why we really think something needs to change.

My daughter and I scoured the Greek chat site - she went back and forth over break to make sure her rush outfits were appropriate - she even practiced rush with her Greek friends from home... She missed war,-ups every day with her dance department to allow her possible absence from 21 and 12 to not be a problem. She maximized every round got 9 houses of 12 after 21 first round because of dance conflict sheet and she got 3 into 3 party - she had an open mind - visited with in-housed and housed. In the end she got nothing. Friends suicided and got their suicides- she just wanted a house. As I said before and maybe not a "liked" thing... She wants a house- she wants to live in. She has always wanted it since visiting her cousins at their house and since going on college visits. Maybe that is wrong but that is what she wants. She is bid less and sad but she's registered for informal recruitment which who even knows if that's really a thing. And if not she will hang with her friends that received bids and hope for the best next rush season. It's been a very tough 24hrs especially living 12 hours from IU - but I told her this doesn't define you. It will hopefully make her stronger. She pulled her chin up hugged her roomie who got her first choice when she walked into the room bid shirt and all last night... even though her roomie was still on the fence when filling out the recruitment forms.
Tonight her dance friends took her for dinner and she is collecting herself and figuring out how to move on. I hope by some miracle a house decides they have an opening for her at some point if not now next year because truth be told she will rock as a sister.

[Griffins&Quills]

Oh true. I'm not talking about the girls who did maximize their options, put down all the chapters they went to and still ended up bidless, that I don't agree with, that's definitely an IU problem. I'm just talking about the girls who didn't maximize their options. Also, at that point, what does it hurt. You've signed a bid card and are bound to the bid regardless of whether you accept or not. You could always a) reject the bid if it's absolutely not what you want, or b) give it a try, and see how it goes.

[33girl]

I still never got an answer to the question I asked re the shortened schedule from this year. Was this solely Panhellenic's call, i.e. they could have elected to postpone rush or extend it into another week, or were they told by the administration "Weather sucks. We don't care. You have till the end of this week for rush. Make it work."

[ChioLu]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I still never got an answer to the question I asked re the shortened schedule from this year. Was this solely Panhellenic's call, i.e. they could have elected to postpone rush or extend it into another week, or were they told by the administration "Weather sucks. We don't care. You have till the end of this week for rush. Make it work."

Who's on IU administration??? Tim Gunn!

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Does anyone know about historical numbers of IU PNM's? Indiana was on my radar when I was selecting a school back in the late 90's, and I don't remember hearing that it was especially competitive, but I was also totally clueless on this type of thing. Has the bed rush always been a disaster, or was there a time when 1000 PNM's were rushing, and it made *some* sense that the chapters with bigger physical houses took more women?

Yes, it's been historically this dysfunctional/competitive. It was when I was there in the late 80s early 90s. It was like that when my parents' friends were there in the 70s.

Originally Posted by Iu mom

This is so sad. My daughters rho gam has called (not texted) to check on her and take her to dinner. She is just as confused she said as my daughter. Sadly we love all the other aspects of IU - her major and the campus - it's just this situation. She will keep her chin up and be sure to attend sorority open events- she just found out that a house she loved took 36 legacies which was almost their whole class. My sorority didn't honor her as a legacy...

What an awesome Rho Gam!! Such a sweet gesture. I hope that cheers her up a little.

Originally Posted by Katmandu

To tell women they are "not good enough" to be in their chapter and for many the entire "Greek system" after meeting most of these women for 45 - 175 minutes is atrocious and reminiscent of middle school attitudes and bullying.


And for a potential member to tell the un-housed chapters that they are "not good enough" just because they are un-housed after meeting them for 45-75 minutes is also atrocious and reminiscent of middle school attitudes and bullying. You are angry and hurt, but formal recruitment consists of each side making snap decisions after brief parties. In fact, a 45 minute party is long in comparison to many.

In competitive recruitments, most, if not all of the potential members are pretty, smart, active and accomplished. That makes them average in the pool. We all agree, IU is a difficult situation, but no one is telling the PNMs they are not good enough. In fact many of the girls who went bidless could well have active members who were pulling for them and deeply saddened that they didn't end up high enough on the bid list and come running to the house on Bid Night.

Exactly. How did these women decide that they couldn't live without the typical experience without ever having lived in a chapter house in the first place? Who can say that one of the unhoused chapters won't get a house in the next 2-3 years? And in the mean time, they might be missing out on some pretty good friendships.

Originally Posted by silver_blue

Amen. You hear tones of that in some of the posts from some IU alumnae in this thread. I'm sure they don't mean to come across that way, but I am sick to death of hearing about how they "couldn't imagine not living with their entire chapter" or "having 100 person pledge classes." Stop diminishing/demeaning the greek experience of 99% of other women on this board just because you're a special IU snowflake.

I swear, nothing beyond basketball gets me more riled up than the idiocy of IU's recruitment system.

I am NOT one of those IU alumnae who believe that you must live in all three years to have THE experience. I pledged my sophomore year through COB and already had signed a lease. I lived out my junior year, then moved in my senior year. I was miserable. I had only shared a room for my freshman year at IU and I could not handle it. As an admitted clothes horse, I had zero closet spaced and bribed someone to let me use part of the largest closet in the house. HATED it. I was much happier my junior year when my parents bought a meal plan so I could eat lunch there every day and three dinners a week. I believe you can most certainly have strong sisterhood and not live in a house for the duration of your college career. I experience it still to this day. Some of my sisters are still among my closest friends.

Originally Posted by ChioLu

Who's on IU administration??? Tim Gunn!

I love love love this. Tim Gunn is the best! Can you picture him being a Rho Gam... "Make it work ladies. Make it work!"

Whew!

[silver_blue]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

I am NOT one of those IU alumnae who believe that you must live in all three years to have THE experience.

Totally was not directing that comment at you. I lived in my chapter house for 3 semesters and that was more than enough. By the time you're 21, living in the house is not nearly as much fun and you never get any peace!

I highly doubt IU will ever change, but it would be nice.

[IUHoosiergirl88]

Found some more pictures to round out my contributions to the thread!

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[FSUZeta]

36 legacies in a pledge class is amazing-you rarely see that at a Southern school. I am sorry that your daughter was not among the lucky legacies who received bids.

[silver_blue]

I only counted something like 32 Tri Delts? That's just shameful.

[Iu mom]

Originally Posted by silver_blue

I only counted something like 32 Tri Delts? That's just shameful.

Interesting because that was my daughters #2 and yep nothing!

[WCsweet<3]

Kappa Delta at Indiana. I think I count 47, but I am never good at counting in these pictures.

[IndianaSigKap]

NO...doing three preference parties is much better for the PNMs. It gives them an extra chance to match.

Also, could the person who posted that IU took more women than last year PM me? I would like to know where you got that number. Thank you! Preliminary numbers are rolling in and the majority of chapters took fewer women than last year. Only a handful took more, and they only took a few more.

[pinksequins]

The ZTA post suggests that some of the NPC HQs are acknowledging the problem at IU. DeltaBeta Baby also made a good point in that if her group was one of the narrow-minded ones (and I don't believe that it is), then she wanted to send a message to her HQ. Perhaps pressure from HQ to compel living out and offer more spots is a solution (if the archaic bed rush cannot be rendered extinct). Thank you, ChiOLu for offering to broach the issue with NPC. That may help move those groups who, unlike ZTA and AXO and others, have not yet attempted to initiate change.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by pinksequins

The ZTA post suggests that some of the NPC HQs are acknowledging the problem at IU. DeltaBeta Baby also made a good point in that if her group was one of the narrow-minded ones (and I don't believe that it is), then she wanted to send a message to her HQ. Perhaps pressure from HQ to compel living out and offer more spots is a solution (if the archaic bed rush cannot be rendered extinct). Thank you, ChiOLu for offering to broach the issue with NPC. That may help move those groups who, unlike ZTA and AXO and others, have not yet attempted to initiate change.

DBB's chapter at IU did take fewer members than they did last year. She did say to call it out, so there it is. 50 last year (45 in the bid day photo this year).

AXO did not take any additional members either. They took 50 this year and 50 last year. It is up to them to whom they offer bids, but they did not offer more.

ZTA did take quite a few more than last year. A few of us IU people are working on gathering information, we have two thirds of the chapters so far.