Indiana University 2014 Recruitment

[Mom64]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

This is really the last accepted form of Greek hazing. Jump through these hoops and we MAY let you be one of us. ETA: and the survivors perpetuate the system because the feel special for making it through.

It is hazing just look at IU's rush schedule and this year's revised one, the hours in a day are unacceptable. Please do not say the actives had the same schedule. They were in the warmth of their houses, not traveling through freezing temps with high anxiety levels.

For those who make it through, I guess it's acceptable. For the many young women (and there are MANY) who did not get a bid last night having to go to classes today and seeing the many bid shirts today is just another hit to their self-esteem. However, these are the strong women, most holding their heads up high, making alternative plans for next year in terms of housing and social life. They should be applauded.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by Mom64

It is hazing just look at IU's rush schedule and this year's revised one, the hours in a day are unacceptable. Please do not say the actives had the same schedule. They were in the warmth of their houses, not traveling through freezing temps with high anxiety levels.

For those who make it through, I guess it's acceptable. For the many young women (and there are MANY) who did not get a bid having to go to classes today and seeing the many bid shirts today is just another hit to their self-esteem.

I appreciate your pain, but those active are awake most of the night voting and setting up for the next round parties while the PNMs are sleeping. There are difficulties to both sides.

[Mom64]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

I appreciate your pain, but those active are awake most of the night voting and setting up for the next round parties while the PNMs are sleeping. There are difficulties to both sides.

Sorry, can't feel that badly for that. Lack of sleep is one thing, the high possibility of rejection is another. The actives can catch up on their sleep when rush is over, the PNMs without a bid have no recourse.

If the actives/chapters don't like the schedule, they have a voice and the possibility to change it.

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by Mom64

Sorry, can't feel that badly for that. Lack of sleep is one thing, the high possibility of rejection is another. The actives can catch up on their sleep when rush is over, the PNMs without a bid have no recourse.

If the actives/chapters don't like the schedule, they have a voice and the possibility to change it.

With all due respect and kindness of intent - the actives are also feeling the pain of rejection. Believe me, if you have ever sat through membership selection (as most of the alumnae posting here have) you understand exactly what I'm talking about.

As for transfers - another additional factor is this: the transfer may not fit with the chapter! Yes we went through the same initiation, but the culture at MIT or Yale is quite different from that at Arizona. The student populations vary from campus to campus.

Here's my solution: IU goes to a quota/total system. ALL chapters must bid to total or risk consequences from their headquarters. Poof! Stigma is gone e.g. ABC took 57, EFG took 25 - so EFG is much more selective - NOT ANY MORE. What a concept, huh?

And I agree with AOII Angel's comment.

[ForeverRoses]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

I appreciate your pain, but those active are awake most of the night voting and setting up for the next round parties while the PNMs are sleeping. There are difficulties to both sides.

I calculated that I slept for 12 hours total Friday-Monday. And I completely agree on difficulties on both sides. 8am-10pm is brutal for EVERYONE . And don't think it was a tear free weekend for the actives!

[ZTAIUalum]

I know it is stressful on both sides, but I do know that ZTA (my alum at IU) accepted a much larger pledge class this year due to pressures from ZTA headquarters. This is forcing some girls to live out their senior year *which has not happened in years! So there are houses adapting to the changes. IU Rush is so stressful and the cross cuts that happen are very hard for everyone. At other schools (southern) if you agree to take one of your pref night houses (any of them) you are guaranteed a house...so at least you get one of the 3 or 2 or 1 you go to. But I do think much is lost living out of the house. Some of my best years were getting to know everyone in the house! There is no rhyme or reason on who gets in...I tried to pull my boyfriends sister in and for some reason she didn't get in...again no rhyme or reason she was being totally looked out for, but in the end she got into a great house and loved that house too. There is a house for everyone, but the girls have to be willing to accept whatever they get and not go in only wanting whatever house. this year was difficult as they cut a party due to the snow. It all stinks..but try again...my best friend did and got in sophomore year...to my house

[silver_blue]

Originally Posted by Mom64

For the many young women (and there are MANY) who did not get a bid having to go to classes today and seeing the many bid shirts today is just another hit to their self-esteem.

I debated writing this, but I think I will say it anyway: it's the absolute worst during Little 500. If your daughter is still feeling down and excluded by seeing sorority women everywhere, I would recommend a trip home during that weekend.

I went to the race with 2 other (non-greek) girls on my floor and it was pure torture watching the sororities cheer for their teams in their matching shirts.

[Maman]

Originally Posted by silver_blue

I debated writing this, but I think I will say it anyway: it's the absolute worst during Little 500. If your daughter is still feeling down and excluded by seeing sorority women everywhere, I would recommend a trip home during that weekend.

I went to the race with 2 other (non-greek) girls on my floor and it was pure torture watching the sororities cheer for their teams in their matching shirts.

Yep. Every PNM should prepare their story about touring the Amalfi Coast via bike or cycling through Death Valley with thier 'aunt' who just beat cancer during the summer prior to Freshman year.

Totally joking!!!

[KDCat]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

This is really the last accepted form of Greek hazing. Jump through these hoops and we MAY let you be one of us. ETA: and the survivors perpetuate the system because the feel special for making it through.

It freaks me out that women can be invited to pref and not get a bid. Pref is such a big deal and so emotional. If you invited her to pref, she's on your bid list somewhere. She qualified. How can you do that to someone that you are willing to have as a sister?

[Lovethesand]

OUCH! As a mom I cringe reading this thread thinking about so many girls who are heartbroken. It just seems to be a very exclusionary process (and long live the process). I feel like "yes, it's not great but better them than me". And I thought my Debbie had a rough recruitment.

Congrats to the girls who found a place.

And to you girls who didn't, please keep your head up, don't let this one event define you or your college experience.

[pinkmama]

Unfortunately this is something that happens in life- Just like not getting into a college you have your heart set on maybe you had the grades but maybe your essay wasn't up to the test etc. , went out for the cheer squad or dance team and didn't make the cut. In all honesty it happens. The new sorority is having interviews and Those bidless girls should be arranging their interviews. Don't have a house-so want because who says that of their daughter does rush next year she may not get a bid then and then she is really screwed Bc then there are no other options. So I highly recommend all the girls who don't have bids to go and see what the new sorority is about.
The house is fun to live in but it's not always a blast- no privacy, can't really eat when you want/assigned meals and meal times etc. sleeping in a room with others gets old real fast with alarm clocks/wake ups/drunks etc.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side that's for sure.

[Griffins&Quills]

Oh, I think it's a crappy process from both sides. At the end of the week it (usually) is very happy though, and makes it worth it. Just saying that there's a lot of behind the scenes stuff that actives go through, that really sucks. Can we say spirit (work) week?

[silver_blue]

Originally Posted by Griffins&Quills

Can we say spirit (work) week?

THE WORST WEEK.

[Griffins&Quills]

Originally Posted by silver_blue

THE WORST WEEK.

Exactly. That's what I'm talking about.

[Griffins&Quills]

And I feel for these girls, I do, but how many of these girls who attended pref didn't maximize their options. I've seen a lot of Sally PNM suicided this chapter, and Susy PNM wrote down 2 of her 3, in this thread. IU or not, that still affects bid matching....