Indiana University 2014 Recruitment

[AZTheta]

The issue needs to be equally shouldered amongst ALL chapters. The "unhoused" chapters should not bear the burden of taking more members than they can comfortably accommodate. As pointed out earlier in the thread, IU does not have total. That's a crucial starting point. With all chapters having to recruit to the same total, IU would be making a huge step in the right direction.

You see what I'm saying?

[CookiesNCream]

Yes, I see what you're saying. And saying that IU needs to move to total is like beating a dead horse over and over again.

No one ever said that those chapters have to bear the burden of taking more members than they can "comfortably accomodate." Why should ASA only have to take 45 girls when other housed chapters are forced to take more than that? They don't need to worry about issues that housed chapters do, such as not having enough beds, parking spots, food, or a comfortable living space (we already sleep in cold dorms and share rooms with 2+ people in order to fit as many people into the houses as possible). HUNDREDS of women are going unmatched this year so that chapters that originally colonized in order to give more women the opportunity to go greek can suddenly drastically reduce their quotas? That doesn't sound right to me.

Also I'm not sure why you put unhoused in quotes when that's what those chapters are. Do you want me to call them "off-campus" like many other people do? Because that's obviously incorrect terminology.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by CookiesNCream

Yes, I see what you're saying. And saying that IU needs to move to total is like beating a dead horse over and over again.

No one ever said that those chapters have to bear the burden of taking more members than they can "comfortably accomodate." Why should ASA only have to take 45 girls when other housed chapters are forced to take more than that? They don't need to worry about issues that housed chapters do, such as not having enough beds, parking spots, food, or a comfortable living space (we already sleep in cold dorms and share rooms with 2+ people in order to fit as many people into the houses as possible). HUNDREDS of women are going unmatched this year so that chapters that originally colonized in order to give more women the opportunity to go greek can suddenly drastically reduce their quotas? That doesn't sound right to me.

Also I'm not sure why you put unhoused in quotes when that's what those chapters are. Do you want me to call them "off-campus" like many other people do? Because that's obviously incorrect terminology.

There is more to the issue than that. Why even have ASA and TPA participate in recruitment? We'll just round up all the reject girls, divide by two and dump them all in one of the unhoused groups. Why should they get a say in the matter? It's not like they have beds to fill or anything? Do you see why that sounds ridiculous?

[CookiesNCream]

Not once did I imply that Theta Phi and ASA should take all of the "rejects" who don't get bids from other chapters. But, since space to house women isn't an issue for them, I was curious as to why their quotas were lower than expected. They can very well pick and choose who they want; I'm sure that out of the 300 or so girls who went unmatched this year that there are girls who preferenced both chapters and didn't get them back.

[Sassmofi]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

Sigma Kappa
Sigma Sigma Sigma
Alpha Sigma Tau
Phi Sigma Sigma

DPhiE coming next week!

Tri Sigma was originally stacked to be the 3rd sorority for expansion. I was less than thrilled about the potential chapter and was glad we were third as we could watch TPA and ASA colonizations. I am not sure if we pulled out (that sounds so dirty) as we were busy with other colonizations or alumna backlash.

Originally Posted by CookiesNCream

Not once did I imply that Theta Phi and ASA should take all of the "rejects" who don't get bids from other chapters. But, since space to house women isn't an issue for them, I was curious as to why their quotas were lower than expected. They can very well pick and choose who they want; I'm sure that out of the 300 or so girls who went unmatched this year that there are girls who preferenced both chapters and didn't get them back.

I believe there has been previous discussions during the TPA and ASA colonizations to aim for average chapter size on campus maybe on the higher side. There are going to be limits in order to reasonable use campus facilities. The 300 or so that didn't match maybe SIP or 2/3. We don't know what quota TPA and ASA set for themselves and if they filled their quota through formal recruitment.

[KDCat]

Originally Posted by CookiesNCream

Not once did I imply that Theta Phi and ASA should take all of the "rejects" who don't get bids from other chapters. But, since space to house women isn't an issue for them, I was curious as to why their quotas were lower than expected. They can very well pick and choose who they want; I'm sure that out of the 300 or so girls who went unmatched this year that there are girls who preferenced both chapters and didn't get them back.

It's not just space to house a new member class. You have to have the resources to run that new member class. That means you need the money for new member education materials, money for new member bling, enough women to be their bigs, enough space to run new member retreats, etc.

Taking a wild guess at this, I'd guess that those two groups may have planned a quota based on the average of what people took last year. I know with the KD colonization at WUSTL, we've been looking really hard at what other groups do and trying to match our group's performance to the campus norms as much as possible. The numbers are higher for some groups this year because they are doing the right thing and trying to open up more spaces for qualified PNMs, but they didn't tell anyone else their plans and those two groups didn't plan or budget for a higher total.

One of the advantages of a total/quota system and RFM is that it's pretty easy to predict what the next year will bring. Total and quota don't move around that much from year to year.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by pinksequins

Thank you for the correction!

Originally Posted by CookiesNCream

Yes, I see what you're saying. And saying that IU needs to move to total is like beating a dead horse over and over again.

No one ever said that those chapters have to bear the burden of taking more members than they can "comfortably accomodate." Why should ASA only have to take 45 girls when other housed chapters are forced to take more than that? They don't need to worry about issues that housed chapters do, such as not having enough beds, parking spots, food, or a comfortable living space (we already sleep in cold dorms and share rooms with 2+ people in order to fit as many people into the houses as possible). HUNDREDS of women are going unmatched this year so that chapters that originally colonized in order to give more women the opportunity to go greek can suddenly drastically reduce their quotas? That doesn't sound right to me.

Also I'm not sure why you put unhoused in quotes when that's what those chapters are. Do you want me to call them "off-campus" like many other people do? Because that's obviously incorrect terminology.

Originally Posted by CookiesNCream

Not once did I imply that Theta Phi and ASA should take all of the "rejects" who don't get bids from other chapters. But, since space to house women isn't an issue for them, I was curious as to why their quotas were lower than expected. They can very well pick and choose who they want; I'm sure that out of the 300 or so girls who went unmatched this year that there are girls who preferenced both chapters and didn't get them back.

What you said is bolded above. Why should ASA be picked on because they are unhoused? The current rule is chapters pick their own quota. Period. ALL chapters should be forced to comply with market factors, but don't look at ASA and TPA and expect them to suddenly take everyone the housed chapters don't want. Just because they were asked to colonize to relieve stress on the system doesn't mean they don't get a say in the matter. It just isn't feasible. The plan is a bad plan and it won't solve to problem so expecting these to chapters to be the solution is unrealistic. Let them do what they need to do to survive and don't blame them for the unhappy women left out in the cold.

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

What you said is bolded above. Why should ASA be picked on because they are unhoused? The current rule is chapters pick their own quota. Period. ALL chapters should be forced to comply with market factors, but don't look at ASA and TPA and expect them to suddenly take everyone the housed chapters don't want. Just because they were asked to colonize to relieve stress on the system doesn't mean they don't get a say in the matter. It just isn't feasible. The plan is a bad plan and it won't solve to problem so expecting these to chapters to be the solution is unrealistic. Let them do what they need to do to survive and don't blame them for the unhappy women left out in the cold.

100% agree. Well said.

[Katmandu]

As long as the "survivors" of IU recruitment feel like they have won something singular, rare and exclusive, they will feel duty bound to perpetuate the system, no matter how much they claim to feel for the PNMs left out in the cold, or how much they hate the system. If they truly hated it, they would agitate to change it. Witness the women who stood up to alums at Alabama and said, "Enough!".

I went to a school in which living in was the norm and expected for 3 years--to the point where a sister who made plans to live out her senior year was voted out by the members and her membership rescinded. I appreciate the value and the advantages of having everyone live in--it is an incredible living experience. It is just not practical in some systems anymore with housing costs astronomical and greek membership rising. Things change, bringing blessings and challenges. Greek life should be organic, not static if we want to continue to thrive. I wish my organization would address this at IU, but they seem to be following the sheeple.

[irishpipes]

AOII took 51. 1 less than last year, but they only lost 33 to graduation.

[ForeverRoses]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

AOII took 51. 1 less than last year, but they only lost 33 to graduation.

Actually we ended up taking 54. We decided to take 3 qa's.

[TPAGirlie]

Tpan originally had 52. That is the number they have recruited at the last two years. College panhellenic asked all groups to consider a larger number and they increased to 65. Generally speaking they will be somewhere in the 185 range.

[midwesterner1]

ADPi has 74 girls in their new pledge class.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by TPAGirlie

Tpan originally had 52. That is the number they have recruited at the last two years. College panhellenic asked all groups to consider a larger number and they increased to 65. Generally speaking they will be somewhere in the 185 range.

Panhel may have asked chapters to take larger numbers this year, but 4 did not. I have last year's numbers from the Panhel website and as this year's numbers slowly come in I count 4 chapters who took fewer members and one who took equal. There are a couple of chapters so far who took just 5-7 additional members.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

Panhel may have asked chapters to take larger numbers this year, but 4 did not. I have last year's numbers from the Panhel website and as this year's numbers slowly come in I count 4 chapters who took fewer members and one who took equal. There are a couple of chapters so far who took just 5-7 additional members.

Go ahead and name names. This is unpanhellenic, and if it's my own group, I'll happily express my displeasure to the higher-ups.