Who is this Ron Paul?

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by jwright25

I was kinda thinking that too. Even though there are other "recollections" out there that more or less imply the same observations about these individuals, the thing that I question most would be that a current or former Secret Service agent would freely discuss these things. I guess it just seems to me that part of their "oath of office" would be that they never reveal anything about the people they are protecting or things they have seen.

Not to mention that it's not like the SAME secret service personnel protect each President and his family. For something like this to be true, me thinks you'd have to get a lot of SS folks on the protection detail to talk. It seems like an obvious ploy by the Republican party to paint Republicans as good and Democrats as bad, thereby helping whomever gets the GOP nomination.

[southernfrat]

This may be a political trick but the observations about Hilary are very believable in my eyes. If any of yall have ever seen the Manchurian Candidate she reminds me of the mother of the presidential candidate. Every time I see a picture or hear her voice I am overwhelmed by a sense of fear that this person can possibly be leading our country for four years. Her recent actions involving dirty politics just strengthens this description that pins Hilary as a "bitch".

[DGTess]

It's called R-U-M-O-R. Even if it were true, there is no way to verify. It's among the oldest political tricks in the book.

Why do campaigns use it? Because college kids love to toss it around the internet the way we used to tell campfire stories.

Those who have been through freshman logic, or some course that requires objective thought, should be able to see through all of them.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by DGTess

It's called R-U-M-O-R. Even if it were true, there is no way to verify. It's among the oldest political tricks in the book.

Why do campaigns use it? Because college kids love to toss it around the internet the way we used to tell campfire stories.

Those who have been through freshman logic, or some course that requires objective thought, should be able to see through all of them.

Unfortunately Earp is not a college kid.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by southernfrat

This may be a political trick but the observations about Hilary are very believable in my eyes. If any of yall have ever seen the Manchurian Candidate she reminds me of the mother of the presidential candidate. Every time I see a picture or hear her voice I am overwhelmed by a sense of fear that this person can possibly be leading our country for four years. Her recent actions involving dirty politics just strengthens this description that pins Hilary as a "bitch".

Her voice scares you? Damn, men really are afraid of a powerful woman, huh?

There are plenty of men in politics that could be called a$$#00!#s, but that only seems to get them victories. Do you honestly think a woman could ever be elected in this country by being sweet-as-pie? You know that you wouldn't take any woman like that seriously...she'd be seen as all mush, no substance. And now when a woman of substance stands up and speaks powerfully, in a way that she knows is the best way to get attention, you still say she's doing it all wrong? How would you propose a woman position herself as capable of leading the most powerful country in the world? Capable of, frankly, pushing other countries to work with us and/or do as we tell them? Capable of commanding the military and sending our nation's young people to war when needed, no matter the loss of life? Capable of pushing an agenda through a Congress that is made up overwhelmingly of white male lawyers? Is she supposed to do it with sugar?

You're scared of her photo and voice? Try doing what American women have done for decades of elections - sit down and listen.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

^^^^ I'd beware forwarding and posting emails like this one.

Snopes says that the jury is still out on whether it is legit or is a political trick, but Snopes seems to be leaning heavily toward political trick.

That said, there's a lot about it (including the notable absence of the Reagans) that makes me more than willing to sell my castle to anyone who thinks this thing is for real.

Thank you, MC! I'm with you, anything that starts with "We had a neighbor..." and ends with "Please pass this on to everyone you know..." automatically makes it suspect in my book.

From the Snopes article: "As Time magazine noted as far back as 1993, cranking out spurious stories that discredited Hillary Clinton and were attributed to Secret Service agents was a known political trick:

'A Republican consultant told a network newscaster that his job was to make sure Hillary Clinton is discredited before the 1996 campaign. Each day anti-Hillary talking points go out to talk-show hosts. The rumor machine is cranking out bogus stories about her face (lifted), her sex life (either nonexistent or all too active) and her marriage (a sham). Many of the stories are attributed to the Secret Service in an attempt to give the tales credibility.'"

And that was just when she was running for Senate. Can you imagine how the machine is cranking now that she's a serious contender for President??!?

[EE-BO]

If (and I mean if, since I do not know if this is true) Capt. Dennis Keast (USAF, retired) really did publicly say all these things about former Presidents- then what a disgraceful betrayal of trust to his employers after years of having the privilege of such an amazing career.

If the American people cared about the private lives of their Presidents- it would show up on election day. And if the American people ever became overly obsessed with judging Presidential Candidates on a random set of arbitrary moral criteria at the expense of examining their qualifications and willingness to work- we will start to resemble every other disastrous tyrannical regime in human history where "morality" was the basis for government (and God help you if you did not have the same "morality" as the man in charge.)

As for Hillary, since leaving college I have met and worked with many female executives who were rewarded with the nickname "bitch" just because they were able to be as bold and aggressive as is required for men who rise to the top of their fields/organizations.

George Bush I is an exceptionally aloof individual. Granted he is polite, but he is every bit as "cold" as Hillary- and can be as snobby as anyone you have ever met. There is more old money Maine in him than Texan.

So how come he gets to be a nice guy and Hillary gets to be a bitch? I am not saying we should say Bush I is a jerk- he is not. But why does Hillary get blasted just because she is not some warm and gooey personality?

And as I said above- same happens in business. Martha Stewart is the ultimate bitch to gossipers, but there have been some downright evil CEOs in recent history who are male and who have never been portrayed as such. If a man brings in the money, he is good no matter what. But if a woman delivers results, she is still just a bitch in some minds.

But back to the diversion, who actually casts a vote based on whether somebody is mean or not? This kind of stuff makes a good media story, but anyone who is casting a serious vote cannot possibly take these things into account.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Unfortunately Earp is not a college kid.

Does not, in truth, matter how old one is or educated one is. Too many people fall for these mass e-mails.

Several people in my office sent around stories/urban legends like this. And even after I showed people that they were false, I was told why would I want to stop people from talking about them?????!!!!

People just want to wish that somethings are true.

As others have already pointed out, if I receive an e-mail telling/asking me to send to everyone I know I do not.
Not before I check it with the following sites:
About com/Urban Legends, Folklore & Myths:
http://www.snopes.com
http://urbanlegends.about.com
http://kumite.com/myths/
http://truthorfiction.com/
http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/
http://www.nonprofit.net/hoax/default.htm

[jon1856]

Talking about records, here is a rather interesting story from New York Magazine on "America's Mayor":
Rudy Has Seen the Enemy and He Is...Us

http://nymag.com/news/features/41550/

Well worth the read. I was very happy that my doctor was running late

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Unfortunately Earp is not a college kid.

No, I am not a college kid anynore, I am a graduate of my University.

I try and keep up on Political topics and have voted in every election since I turned 18 which is the voting age.

It has always been my contention that if you do not vote, do not complain.

Politicals many times have feet of clay and it has become a profession, not a drive to do the best job one can do for the citizens. Dang little if at all.

Now they changed the name of Pork Bellies to something more PC correct and it still is the same under a differnt name. So, this helps you how?

If I am asuming, you are of teh middle class, when was the last time you got a tax break?

What is your cost for gas, bread, milk, eggs or any other needs for your family?

Do you have money to spend on fun things? No.

What I used to go and get two paper bags of food is now in two plastic bags. When I used to get a full tank of gas with $20.00, now I get a 1/2 a tank of gas.

So where is your extra money going?

Do yopu know any Legislatures who leave Congress poor?

They are interested in one thing only! Guess what/who=them!

I was backing Ron Paul, and read more up on him and his beleifs and he is a little/lot off the wall.

# 1, the Inner Belt will never allow him to get what he proposses. It has happened before and will continue to be the norm.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Unfortunately Earp is not a college kid.

Oh, I just wonder what this post refered to?

Snarky retort?

Sad to say the least!

I would expect more from someone like you.

[southernfrat]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

You're scared of her photo and voice? Try doing what American women have done for decades of elections - sit down and listen.

you know i may have mislead you on the fact that i'm in fear of her voice. it is more of her radically leftist rhetoric. now that she is running for president she is trying to appeal to the middle more just like romney is attempting to make himself appeal to the far right in the republican race.

now with your statement that hilary is a stand-up woman who is assertive enough to lead our troops into war and push other countries to work with us, i find this absurd. she can't even get her own husband to stop from straying from her multiple times. their marriage is a political marriage, and shows no family values. if you want a woman who can't even keep her husband interested in her how do you expect a country to continuously support her? she needs to concede and just be one of obama's advisors

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by southernfrat

you know i may have mislead you on the fact that I'm in fear of her voice. it is more of her radically leftist rhetoric. now that she is running for president she is trying to appeal to the middle more just like Romney is attempting to make himself appeal to the far right in the republican race.

now with your statement that Hilary is a stand-up woman who is assertive enough to lead our troops into war and push other countries to work with us, i find this absurd. she can't even get her own husband to stop from straying from her multiple times. their marriage is a political marriage, and shows no family values. if you want a woman who can't even keep her husband interested in her how do you expect a country to continuously support her? she needs to concede and just be one of obama's advisers

One could say just about the same things about Rudy.
And all of them have some sort of ball & chain.

So perhaps we should stay on issues?
And also down load spell check.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by southernfrat

you know i may have mislead you on the fact that i'm in fear of her voice. it is more of her radically leftist rhetoric. now that she is running for president she is trying to appeal to the middle more just like romney is attempting to make himself appeal to the far right in the republican race.

now with your statement that hilary is a stand-up woman who is assertive enough to lead our troops into war and push other countries to work with us, i find this absurd. she can't even get her own husband to stop from straying from her multiple times. their marriage is a political marriage, and shows no family values. if you want a woman who can't even keep her husband interested in her how do you expect a country to continuously support her? she needs to concede and just be one of obama's advisors

I agree Hillary has changed to appeal to the folks her advisors tell her she needs to reel in. But I don't know of any politician that doesn't, and they'd probably be foolish not to in many cases.

You misunderstood what I was saying about leading the country into war, etc. I said she was speaking and presenting herself as a powerful man would, basically making herself look more "presidential." As for far left rhetoric, I find far right rhetoric just as scary. But Hillary is by no means far left - she's actually extremely moderate.

Now, your comments on her not being able to keep her husband interested in her are just nasty and disgusting. He cheated, and that's his fault only. Free will and all that. If that's the way you interpret intimate relationships, I pity the woman that would marry you.

[nittanyalum]

^^^Co-sign, Peppy, good post.