So is imitation really the sincerest form of flattery?

[_Lisa_]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Your experiences aren't the end-all-be-all of how Greek life works and you should be willing to grow beyond them.

But if he did that then he couldn't spread his hate all over the place!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Those girls look pathetic. I now know where to go on GC when I want a good laugh.

The kicker part about it is, it says in the corner "This is how stepping is done." Now, that's laughable.

I used to feel this way but having been out of undergrad for years and having gone to different types of events, it's not that serious anymore and I have a different take. But I completely understand where you're coming from and felt that way a few years ago.

I think they looked cute. I like KKGs and I don't expect much of them in terms of party strolls and stepping. So they did very well, considering. And they actually cared enough to put forth a lot of effort.

Was this Derby Days? I absolutely love that event.

I don't think any non-BGLOs will be adopting stepping and strolling and calling it their own. Afterall, many of these groups have had handsigns before some NPHCers were founded but they don't advertise them the way we do.

What IS pathetic is some of the KKGs attempt to "hip hopize" themselves. The use of "slang," an attempt at some type of "accent" and certain mannerisms are lame. That's the only thing that made me go "" They were probably told to do that by their teachers. I won't go into that for a number of reasons.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

What IS pathetic is some of the KKGs attempt to "hip hopize" themselves. The use of "slang," an attempt at some type of "accent" and certain mannerisms are lame. That's the only thing that made me go "" They were probably told to do that by their teachers. I won't go into that for a number of reasons.

I was going to post something to that effect. This is what stopped me from even watching the rest.

[Low C Sharp]

KK whatever did not.

I'm trying to imagine the fireworks around here if an NPC member referred to KAPsi as "Kappa Alpha whatever." If you expect others to treat you with respect -- and I'm sure you do -- then show respect to others.
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[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

I'm trying to imagine the fireworks around here if an NPC member referred to KAPsi as "Kappa Alpha whatever."

I would absolutely condone it.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

And quite frankly, I think step shows in general are a waste of time and resources and I don't like going to NPHC shows.

When did you become anti-stepshows? Didn't you use to help high schools with them? Not clowning, just thought I remembered that.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

What IS pathetic is some of the KKGs attempt to "hip hopize" themselves. The use of "slang," an attempt at some type of "accent" and certain mannerisms are lame. That's the only thing that made me go "" They were probably told to do that by their teachers. I won't go into that for a number of reasons.

And that is what bothered me about the whole thing. But yeah, that's a whole 'nother discussion.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

I'm trying to imagine the fireworks around here if an NPC member referred to KAPsi as "Kappa Alpha whatever." If you expect others to treat you with respect -- and I'm sure you do -- then show respect to others.

Wouldn't bother me if someone said Delta Sigma whatever. I would just assume they are not familiar enough with the org to remember the whole name.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

When did you become anti-stepshows? Didn't you use to help high schools with them? Not clowning, just thought I remembered that.

I should have qualified that with "NPHC" step shows. I know you're not clowning.

Here is my rationale.... I enjoy neophyte shows, probate shows, new member presentations, debuts, emergences, etc. I like those because the spotlight is on that one particular organization and their sisterhood or brotherhood.

I enjoy NPHC non-exclusive step shows and exhibitions because I get to see LGLOs, MCGLOs, and Christian GLOs perform. And it never fails, I always see something different at such shows. Unfortunately, I only get to attend one of those a year.

ETA: To further explain why I like these shows, I don't feel cheated if not all of the NPHC is represented -- some opt out because they have other things to do.

I do not enjoy NPHC-only shows because (to me) they are boring ANNNND (and I know it's not the fault of the art of stepping itself) I see too many of MY bros placing too much value on stepping and not enough on service and being out in their campus communities. If you can do both, great, I'll encourage it. But I am friends with a few collegiate neos now whose chapters really have their priorities in the wrong place. I just feel like the time they spend (waste) arguing and fussing in practices could be spent elsewhere.

And finally, yes, I founded a non-Greek step team at my alma mater, which might be what you're thinking of. Big fun! Coming up on ten years this January. Wouldn't call what they do a waste of time because we founded it JUST for stepping, and the average contribution per member is like four semesters.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

I'm trying to imagine the fireworks around here if an NPC member referred to KAPsi as "Kappa Alpha whatever." If you expect others to treat you with respect -- and I'm sure you do -- then show respect to others.

It wouldn't bother me if an NPC member referred to us as Kappa Alpha whatever. Actually we've been called much worse. How about Kappa Alpha "Nig" if you want to get detailed about it. One historical reason for changing our original name to Kappa Alpha Psi. This was said probably by one of your organizations on the campus of IU. Typical. You all have a history of judging people by skin color, and at some colleges you still do. I can't see how anyone can tell a man or woman you don't fit in because you're not white. What kind of crap is that? I've seen it on GC several times. There's three members on here who have totally disrespected our organizations. I've even read some posts on here from the same three jokers about blacks not fitting in to IFC/NPC glos, that's why they don't get voted on. As far as I'm concerned that's BS.

I don't hate anyone, I have three close friends, two are NPCers and one IFCer and I don't have anything against them as individuals. Infact I enjoy their company. I've been in the same discussions with them about this very topic. We've learned to agree to disagree.

All I said was that this sorority looked pathetic, and my opinion hasn't changed.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

And that is what bothered me about the whole thing. But yeah, that's a whole 'nother discussion.

Exactly. I was going to say something about that too, but that is another discussion.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I should have qualified that with "NPHC" step shows. I know you're not clowning.

Here is my rationale.... I enjoy neophyte shows, probate shows, new member presentations, debuts, emergences, etc. I like those because the spotlight is on that one particular organization and their sisterhood or brotherhood.

I enjoy NPHC non-exclusive step shows and exhibitions because I get to see LGLOs, MCGLOs, and Christian GLOs perform. And it never fails, I always see something different at such shows. Unfortunately, I only get to attend one of those a year.

ETA: To further explain why I like these shows, I don't feel cheated if not all of the NPHC is represented -- some opt out because they have other things to do.

I do not enjoy NPHC-only shows because (to me) they are boring ANNNND (and I know it's not the fault of the art of stepping itself) I see too many of MY bros placing too much value on stepping and not enough on service and being out in their campus communities. If you can do both, great, I'll encourage it. But I am friends with a few collegiate neos now whose chapters really have their priorities in the wrong place. I just feel like the time they spend (waste) arguing and fussing in practices could be spent elsewhere.

And finally, yes, I founded a non-Greek step team at my alma mater, which might be what you're thinking of. Big fun! Coming up on ten years this January. Wouldn't call what they do a waste of time because we founded it JUST for stepping, and the average contribution per member is like four semesters.

Okay, I understand where you are coming from. And it is quite disappointing to go to a NPHC step show and have only 3 teams show up with the same old steps.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

If you can't approach anything an NPC or NIC(non-NPHC) group does without the vitriol you feel for them, perhaps you should avoid commenting about it. This wasn't a situation of KKG saying "ooh we want to learn how to step" it was a way to bring Greeks together. "Greeks" includes all of us. You seem to be unable to grasp the idea that Greeks of all flavors can work together. Your experiences aren't the end-all-be-all of how Greek life works and you should be willing to grow beyond them.

As long as some other GC members (IFC) can make comments about us, then I can make comments about your glos.

Greek unity? White and black greeks are still largely segregated, which was started by IFC and NPC glos. It's 2007 and you still practice this. Why?

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I think they looked cute.

No they didn't, especially having the black dude as part of the act to make them look more hip. That didn't help, that just made them look even more pathetic to me.

Then, whoever the joker was who put this on youtube had the nerve to say "This is how stepping is done." Probably a member who was trying to say something, but didn't.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by 12dn94dst

That said, I tend to agree with PrettyBoy, there is no comparison.

Thank you. That's the whole point. Everyone has their own opinion on this topic.