Tri-Sigma Sorority

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Kevin

While in the sense that we don't have joint meetings and rituals and articles of governance, you're right, there's no national bond. On a historical level, I think you'd be wrong, however. Such a bond exists between several NPC/NIC groups.

See, this is what this whole thread is hinging on.

The bond that Kevin speaks of is regional, at best. People choose to acknowledge it, others don't. A historical connection is there, but a national bond IS NOT.

The NPC posters in this thread are not wrong.

Kevin is not wrong, he's just answering a different question.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Unofficially, several groups with historical bonds refer to each other as "brother or sister" organizations. While this doesn't occur at the national level (most likely) and is nowhere in anyone's Constitution, it happens.

Originally Posted by MysticCat

No, Kevin is right. Regardless of whether its official or not, it happens. . . .

So while there is no official relationship (and Kevin never said there was), he is right that "it happens" that some Alpha Xi Delta members refer to Sigma Nu as their "brother fraternity."

Originally Posted by 33girl

If it's not on the national websites, it's not official.

Last I checked, "unofficially," "regardless of whether it's official" and "while there is no official relationship" all acknowledge that it's not official.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

The bond that Kevin speaks of is regional, at best.

Regional maybe, or historical/informal/sentimental, unofficially acknowledged by some but not by all.

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by 33girl

There is a historical bond between ASA & Tri Delta (no dash). That doesn't mean we ever call them our "sister" organization.

This fascinates me.

Interestingly, it's mentioned on the ASA national website, but not on Tri Delta's.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

This fascinates me.

Interestingly, it's mentioned on the ASA national website, but not on Tri Delta's.

I think it's because it really had no effect on Tri Delta. SAE's national site doesn't mention APO either.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

The bond that Kevin speaks of is regional, at best. People choose to acknowledge it, others don't. A historical connection is there, but a national bond IS NOT.

I'm reasonably certain that Alpha Xi Delta new member materials discuss this aspect of the common history. While they do disclaim the "brother" reference, when we came to campus, the brand new Alpha Xi chapter there (chartered in '99, the year we opened our colony) already knew to call us their "brother" organization.

In fact, I recall being scolded a few times for not teaching my pledges about this historical linkage.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'm reasonably certain that Alpha Xi Delta new member materials discuss this aspect of the common history. While they do disclaim the "brother" reference . . . .

It is discussed here, at the Alpha Xi Delta website. There is certainly no reference to Sigma Nu being Alpha Xi Delta's "brother fraternity," but the early associations with Sigma Nu are discussed, including the statement that for Alpha Xi Delta's flower, the Founders "chose the pink rose as a complement to the white rose of Sigma Nu."

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

No, Kevin is right. Regardless of whether its official or not, it happens. A quick Google of "Alpha Xi Delta," "Sigma Nu" and "brother fraternity" turned up 44 hits along the lines of the following:

From the Zeta Theta chapter of Alpha Xi Delta: With the help of the men of the Sigma Nu Fraternity, the Alpha Xi Delta’s brother fraternity, they were able to organize their ideas and create a successful organization that affects women’s lives every day.

From the Beta Pi chapter of Alpha Xi Delta: The fraternity flower is the Killarney Rose, which characteristics include a light pink color, thornless, with a large bloom. It was chosen by our Founders to complement the white rose of Sigma Nu, our brother fraternity.

From the Atlanta Cobb-Cherokee Alumnae Association of Alpha Xi Delta: TBD: Social - March Madness Sigma Nu Social - Join us with our brother fraternity in Atlanta.

Google even took me to this post and this post here at GC.

So while there is no official relationship (and Kevin never said there was), he is right that "it happens" that some Alpha Xi Delta members refer to Sigma Nu as their "brother fraternity."

Due to the fact that I've seen plenty of chapters from my own GLO say the wrong things on their chapter websites, I would NEVER take anything as correct unless it was quoted from the IH website.

And just because it does happen, doesn't mean it's right.

[CZAXOTerp]

Originally Posted by SmartBlondeGPhB

Due to the fact that I've seen plenty of chapters from my own GLO say the wrong things on their chapter websites, I would NEVER take anything as correct unless it was quoted from the IH website.

And just because it does happen, doesn't mean it's right.

Ditto.
Neil Armstrong's first wife is AXO, but her pin is not on the moon- but according to several chapter websites it is.

Originally Posted by CZAXOTerp

Ditto.
Neil Armstrong's first wife is AXO, but her pin is not on the moon- but according to several chapter websites it is.

Just like how Betty Crocker is a DZ (amongst other affiliations) and how Carly Simon and Madonna are AGDs.

Back to the original subject -- everyone knows that one of the Alpha Gam Founders helped design the TKE Coat-of-Arms, but that doesn't necessarily make the TKEs our brother fraternity. In fact, Emily Helen Butterfield has a historical connection with SEVERAL fraternities and sororities because she helped design their Coat of Arms as well...she was an expert on Heraldry.

Even though the Alpha Gam official website doesn't list her contributions to Greek Life by detail, I know that several other HQ sites do, TKE being one of them, as you can see from the link above.

So yes, historical connections are wonderful, but that =/= brother fraternities/sister sororities.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by SmartBlondeGPhB

Due to the fact that I've seen plenty of chapters from my own GLO say the wrong things on their chapter websites, I would NEVER take anything as correct unless it was quoted from the IH website.

And just because it does happen, doesn't mean it's right.

Of course. No one said that because it happens, it's right. And we all have seen things on chapter websites that we know are wrong. But that's beside the point. Kevin didn't say Sigma Nu is Alpha Xi Delta "brother fraternity" in any kind of official sense. He said:

Originally Posted by Kevin

Unofficially, several groups with historical bonds refer to each other as "brother or sister" organizations. While this doesn't occur at the national level (most likely) and is nowhere in anyone's Constitution, it happens.

(My emphasis). Then PM_Mama00 said:

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Maybe you should check up on NPC rules before you go acting like you know what you're talking about.

He did know what he was talking about. It does happen, as the chapter websites I linked to, however erroneous the info in them may be from an official standpoint, demonstrate. I'll also give him the benefit of the doubt that since he is a member of one of the GLOs in question, he has some personal experience to back up his claim that it happens.

You're exactly right -- just because it does happen, doesn't mean it's right. But by the same token, just because its wrong doesn't mean it doesn't happen. No one needs to be told to check up on NPC rules when all they have done is note that some members of a particular GLO, rightly or wrongly, have in fact referred to another GLO as their "brother fraternity."

[Senusret I]

How about everyone stays in their own lane? Because really, if folks weren't riding their NIC mopeds down NPC boulevard, perhaps this wouldn't be an issue.

*says the NPHC patrolman* lol

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

How about everyone stays in their own lane? Because really, if folks weren't riding their NIC mopeds down NPC boulevard, perhaps this wouldn't be an issue.

*says the NPHC patrolman* lol

Now THAT is funny!

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

How about everyone stays in their own lane? Because really, if folks weren't riding their NIC mopeds down NPC boulevard, perhaps this wouldn't be an issue.

*says the NPHC patrolman* lol

Point well taken, LOL!

But in his defense, I'll point out that Kevin's comments come from where the NIC moped lane crosses NPC Boulevard.

And having said that, I'm going for a walk in the woods.

[KSUViolet06]

To repeat:

Sigma Sigma Sigma does not have a "brother fraternity." Individual chapters may have fraternities that they enjoy hanging out with (example: my chapter hangs out with Delta Chi alot), but we do not have a "brother fraternity." If you're a Sigma and you think we have a "brother fraternity", let me be the first to tell you, we don't. Yes, a Kappa Sigma member helped us to get started, but they are not our "brothers." Neither is any other fraternity considered our "brother fraternity."

The end.