DePauw Rush Results - Page 3

depauwgreek · #31 02-08-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TSteven

How was quota set? And how was IFC rush structured?

Quota was set by taking 15% of the number of guys who entered rush.

For IFC rush, on Monday and Wednesday the guys visited all 11 houses first round.

For second round on Firday night guys could go up to five houses, some guys suicided a house at this point and only went to one.

3rd round was Saturday night where guys could go to 1 or 2 houses.

After 1st and 2nd round, houses would have a time frame to make their cuts and then guys would pick from lists reflecting whether or not they had been cut from anywhere.

After 3rd round, guys would pref their top house before houses made any decision about who they a-listed or b-listed. Houses made their decisions at the same time the guys were making their decisions, there was time after decisions were over that lists were compared and it was determined what house each guy would be in.

For the record, no guys were cross-cut after 3rd round - everybody that showed up to 3rd round got into a house.

AlexMack · #32 02-08-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

But when a chapter has sustained itself at a certain size level, and the organization "reorganizes" by having people go alum early, it seems disrespectful to those last active members. How would you feel as a member of the most recent pledge class to be told that your active experience was over? It seems unjust somehow.

You can say that again; it happened to my sister in law. She was an AXiD at Purdue and the last class to be initiated before they closed and recolonized. She had no active experience at all.

TSteven · #33 02-09-2007, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by depauwgreek

Quota was set by taking 15% of the number of guys who entered rush.

For IFC rush, on Monday and Wednesday the guys visited all 11 houses first round.

For second round on Firday night guys could go up to five houses, some guys suicided a house at this point and only went to one.

3rd round was Saturday night where guys could go to 1 or 2 houses.

After 1st and 2nd round, houses would have a time frame to make their cuts and then guys would pick from lists reflecting whether or not they had been cut from anywhere.

After 3rd round, guys would pref their top house before houses made any decision about who they a-listed or b-listed. Houses made their decisions at the same time the guys were making their decisions, there was time after decisions were over that lists were compared and it was determined what house each guy would be in.

For the record, no guys were cross-cut after 3rd round - everybody that showed up to 3rd round got into a house.

Thanks for the info. This is one of the few, and rare, campuses where I have heard of a quota used along with a somewhat structured IFC rush. So please bare with me as I have a few follow up questions.

First off. Since some chapters had lower quotas due to violations, how was quota set for those chapters? And was this quota made known prior to rush to both the chapters and the rushees?

If I'm following this, the 15% represents the percentage a chapter could pledge from the original number of guys. So as an example, if there were 100 guys who entered rush, then any one chapter could only bid up to 15 men. Is this correct?

Also if you were to add the percentage for each chapter, did they total (equal) 100%? Granted I don't know what the lower percentage are for those chapters with violations, but the numbers don't add up. 15% times 11 chapters equals 165%. In other words, if there was 100 men in rush, it seems like six chapters could get their 15% (15 members) which would be a total of 90 out of 100 men rushing. Then a seventh chapter could get the remaining ten members to equal the full 100 men rushing. This would leave the remaining four chapters with zero pledges.

As for the second and third rounds, did each chapter have a series of set parties, or just "open house" type parties? For example, if the rushee received and was interested in ABC, was his invite for a specific time only? Or could the rushee come by "whenever" and/or stay for as long as he wanted?

Also, did everybody that showed up to third rounds get a bid because of some sort of guaranteed placement or did it just happened to work out that way?

And finally, do the IFCs continue to rush the rest of the year?

Thanks.

DeltaBetaBaby · #34 02-09-2007, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by centaur532

You can say that again; it happened to my sister in law. She was an AXiD at Purdue and the last class to be initiated before they closed and recolonized. She had no active experience at all.

I know I harp on this in every thread, but a lot of it has to do with the housing situation. You can't keep a house open at Purdue if you don't have members to live in it and pay rent.

depauwgreek · #35 02-10-2007, 05:09 AM

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First off. Since some chapters had lower quotas due to violations, how was quota set for those chapters? And was this quota made known prior to rush to both the chapters and the rushees?
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Quota was set arbitrarily by the Director of Greek Affairs and the Greek Affairs Office; houses could appeal if they wanted to. Houses found out what quota was right before rush started as guys had up until the day before to sign up for rush. Rushees were not explicitly told what quota was; some probably found out from Greek members anyway.

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If I'm following this, the 15% represents the percentage a chapter could pledge from the original number of guys. So as an example, if there were 100 guys who entered rush, then any one chapter could only bid up to 15 men. Is this correct?
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Yes. Men's rush worked out this year so that EXACTLY 200 men registered for rush; that's why quota was 30.

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Also if you were to add the percentage for each chapter, did they total (equal) 100%? Granted I don't know what the lower percentage are for those chapters with violations, but the numbers don't add up. 15% times 11 chapters equals 165%. In other words, if there was 100 men in rush, it seems like six chapters could get their 15% (15 members) which would be a total of 90 out of 100 men rushing. Then a seventh chapter could get the remaining ten members to equal the full 100 men rushing. This would leave the remaining four chapters with zero pledges.
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This year's quota percentage was figured with the previous knowledge that some houses had racked up violations that prevented them from reaching quota and also that some houses make/made it known that they aren't necessarily willing to take in that many guys, since some of the fraternities at DePauw cut more heavily than others.

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As for the second and third rounds, did each chapter have a series of set parties, or just "open house" type parties? For example, if the rushee received and was interested in ABC, was his invite for a specific time only? Or could the rushee come by "whenever" and/or stay for as long as he wanted?
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Rushees were given a specific schedule of house what they were to be at and what time they were to be there, DePauw's rush is ran through the ICS system which has had its bugs at DePauw. So, yes, the invite was for a specific time only as houses had a say in how large their 2nd and 3rd rounds could be. Example: if a house had 60 guys coming back for 2nd round, they could decide if they wanted to have 5 rounds of 12 or 3 rounds of 20; most fraternities choose to have near 20 for 2nd and 3rd rounds at DePauw. There was an enforced time limit of 45 minutes for 2nd round and an hour for 3rd round; a group of guys would all enter the house at the same time and then leave the house at the same time after the round was over. Houses could rack up fines depending on how much over the regulated time they kept rushees on property.

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Also, did everybody that showed up to third rounds get a bid because of some sort of guaranteed placement or did it just happened to work out that way?
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This was purely luck; in past years there have been guys who went to houses third round that did not get a bid from any house at all. My freshman year there was 2, and last year there was 1 (I'm a junior now.) Most times, if houses really don't want somebody in their house they will have cut them by 2nd round.

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And finally, do the IFCs continue to rush the rest of the year?
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In the Spring, houses have a few days after the end of formal rush in which they can extend open bids, but after that there's no more joining through the end of the school year. In the Fall semester a few houses usually give out open bids to guys who for some reason or another couldn't/didn't join their house during the Spring; freshmen are not allowed to receive open bids in the fall.

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Thanks.
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You're welcome. At times it's really easy to think that every school does rush the same but this is obviously not the case.

TSteven · #36 02-12-2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by depauwgreek

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First off. Since some chapters had lower quotas due to violations, how was quota set for those chapters? And was this quota made known prior to rush to both the chapters and the rushees?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Quota was set arbitrarily by the Director of Greek Affairs and the Greek Affairs Office; houses could appeal if they wanted to. Houses found out what quota was right before rush started as guys had up until the day before to sign up for rush. Rushees were not explicitly told what quota was; some probably found out from Greek members anyway.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If I'm following this, the 15% represents the percentage a chapter could pledge from the original number of guys. So as an example, if there were 100 guys who entered rush, then any one chapter could only bid up to 15 men. Is this correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes. Men's rush worked out this year so that EXACTLY 200 men registered for rush; that's why quota was 30.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Also if you were to add the percentage for each chapter, did they total (equal) 100%? Granted I don't know what the lower percentage are for those chapters with violations, but the numbers don't add up. 15% times 11 chapters equals 165%. In other words, if there was 100 men in rush, it seems like six chapters could get their 15% (15 members) which would be a total of 90 out of 100 men rushing. Then a seventh chapter could get the remaining ten members to equal the full 100 men rushing. This would leave the remaining four chapters with zero pledges.
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This year's quota percentage was figured with the previous knowledge that some houses had racked up violations that prevented them from reaching quota and also that some houses make/made it known that they aren't necessarily willing to take in that many guys, since some of the fraternities at DePauw cut more heavily than others.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
As for the second and third rounds, did each chapter have a series of set parties, or just "open house" type parties? For example, if the rushee received and was interested in ABC, was his invite for a specific time only? Or could the rushee come by "whenever" and/or stay for as long as he wanted?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Rushees were given a specific schedule of house what they were to be at and what time they were to be there, DePauw's rush is ran through the ICS system which has had its bugs at DePauw. So, yes, the invite was for a specific time only as houses had a say in how large their 2nd and 3rd rounds could be. Example: if a house had 60 guys coming back for 2nd round, they could decide if they wanted to have 5 rounds of 12 or 3 rounds of 20; most fraternities choose to have near 20 for 2nd and 3rd rounds at DePauw. There was an enforced time limit of 45 minutes for 2nd round and an hour for 3rd round; a group of guys would all enter the house at the same time and then leave the house at the same time after the round was over. Houses could rack up fines depending on how much over the regulated time they kept rushees on property.

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Also, did everybody that showed up to third rounds get a bid because of some sort of guaranteed placement or did it just happened to work out that way?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This was purely luck; in past years there have been guys who went to houses third round that did not get a bid from any house at all. My freshman year there was 2, and last year there was 1 (I'm a junior now.) Most times, if houses really don't want somebody in their house they will have cut them by 2nd round.

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And finally, do the IFCs continue to rush the rest of the year?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

In the Spring, houses have a few days after the end of formal rush in which they can extend open bids, but after that there's no more joining through the end of the school year. In the Fall semester a few houses usually give out open bids to guys who for some reason or another couldn't/didn't join their house during the Spring; freshmen are not allowed to receive open bids in the fall.

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Thanks.
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You're welcome. At times it's really easy to think that every school does rush the same but this is obviously not the case.

Thank you for your reply and I really appreciate you taking the time to explain this. If you would be so kind as to continue to indulge me, a few more questions popped into my head about y'all's IFC rush.

1.) Is quota the number of bids a chapter may extend, or the number of men they may accept? For example, could ABC only extend 30 bids (15%) and that's it? Or could ABC extend 30 bids, and if five men declined their bid, the chapter then bid (or in NPC terms "snap bid") five more - up to the 30? Is this what you meant by "open bids" extended after formal?

2.) May a rushee received more than one bid?

3.) "This year's quota percentage was figured with the previous knowledge that some houses had racked up violations that prevented them from reaching quota and also that some houses make/made it known that they aren't necessarily willing to take in that many guys, since some of the fraternities at DePauw cut more heavily than others."

I am still fuzzy how the chapters with violations determine quota. Is it any of the following scenarios?

Scenario A: Every chapter has the same quota set at 15%.

As I understand this, with only 200 men going through rush, if every chapter (11) had a quota set at 15%, then it was statistically impossible for every chapter to make quota. So basically, those chapters with violations didn't take 15% due to the violations. (i.e. reputation) For example, say ABC is on social probation for a year. In theory, they could still make quota of 15%, yet, few rushees were willing to pledge ABC because of the probation.

Scenario B: There are at least two separate quotas. The "max" is set at 15% for some chapters with a lower percentage for other chapters.

Say six chapters were allowed to take the "max" of 15% (30 pledges) while five chapters (the ones with the violations) could only take 2% (4 pledges).

6 chapters at 30 pledges = 180
5 chapters at 4 pledges = 20
Total = 200

So in theory, every chapter could make quota because the actual percentage (quota) was different for the chapters.

Scenario C: Neither.

depauwgreek · #37 02-15-2007, 02:11 AM

Thank you for your reply and I really appreciate you taking the time to explain this. If you would be so kind as to continue to indulge me, a few more questions popped into my head about y'all's IFC rush.

1.) Is quota the number of bids a chapter may extend, or the number of men they may accept? For example, could ABC only extend 30 bids (15%) and that's it? Or could ABC extend 30 bids, and if five men declined their bid, the chapter then bid (or in NPC terms "snap bid") five more - up to the 30? Is this what you meant by "open bids" extended after formal?

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What I called "open bids" is the same as "snap bids", and houses could do what the hypothetical ABC did in your question.
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2.) May a rushee received more than one bid?

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Through formal rush, No.
Snap Bids, Yes. It's not uncommon for some guys to receive 2 or 3 different snap bids if they are that popular but didn't go through formal rush.
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3.) "This year's quota percentage was figured with the previous knowledge that some houses had racked up violations that prevented them from reaching quota and also that some houses make/made it known that they aren't necessarily willing to take in that many guys, since some of the fraternities at DePauw cut more heavily than others."

I am still fuzzy how the chapters with violations determine quota. Is it any of the following scenarios?

Scenario A: Every chapter has the same quota set at 15%.

As I understand this, with only 200 men going through rush, if every chapter (11) had a quota set at 15%, then it was statistically impossible for every chapter to make quota. So basically, those chapters with violations didn't take 15% due to the violations. (i.e. reputation) For example, say ABC is on social probation for a year. In theory, they could still make quota of 15%, yet, few rushees were willing to pledge ABC because of the probation.

Scenario B: There are at least two separate quotas. The "max" is set at 15% for some chapters with a lower percentage for other chapters.

Say six chapters were allowed to take the "max" of 15% (30 pledges) while five chapters (the ones with the violations) could only take 2% (4 pledges).

6 chapters at 30 pledges = 180
5 chapters at 4 pledges = 20
Total = 200

So in theory, every chapter could make quota because the actual percentage (quota) was different for the chapters.

Scenario C: Neither.

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Scenario B.
One specific example, I'll refer to them as XYZ. Befor rush was ever started and anybody had an idea what quota would be, the Greek Affairs Office had determined that XYZ's quota would be the normal quota minus a percentage due to a hazing incident plus an incident at a social event.....quota was set at 15% taking into account that there would be reductions in some houses quotas that would result in not every house being able to take 30 guys and preventing the 165% problem mentioned earlier.

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Again, no problem. If you have anymore questions or something I've said is unclear, I can give you the email address of DePauw's Director of Greek Life, he'd be better to explain it all than me.

TSteven · #38 02-16-2007, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by depauwgreek

Thank you for your reply and I really appreciate you taking the time to explain this. If you would be so kind as to continue to indulge me, a few more questions popped into my head about y'all's IFC rush.

1.) Is quota the number of bids a chapter may extend, or the number of men they may accept? For example, could ABC only extend 30 bids (15%) and that's it? Or could ABC extend 30 bids, and if five men declined their bid, the chapter then bid (or in NPC terms "snap bid") five more - up to the 30? Is this what you meant by "open bids" extended after formal?

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What I called "open bids" is the same as "snap bids", and houses could do what the hypothetical ABC did in your question.
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2.) May a rushee received more than one bid?

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Through formal rush, No.
Snap Bids, Yes. It's not uncommon for some guys to receive 2 or 3 different snap bids if they are that popular but didn't go through formal rush.
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3.) "This year's quota percentage was figured with the previous knowledge that some houses had racked up violations that prevented them from reaching quota and also that some houses make/made it known that they aren't necessarily willing to take in that many guys, since some of the fraternities at DePauw cut more heavily than others."

I am still fuzzy how the chapters with violations determine quota. Is it any of the following scenarios?

Scenario A: Every chapter has the same quota set at 15%.

As I understand this, with only 200 men going through rush, if every chapter (11) had a quota set at 15%, then it was statistically impossible for every chapter to make quota. So basically, those chapters with violations didn't take 15% due to the violations. (i.e. reputation) For example, say ABC is on social probation for a year. In theory, they could still make quota of 15%, yet, few rushees were willing to pledge ABC because of the probation.

Scenario B: There are at least two separate quotas. The "max" is set at 15% for some chapters with a lower percentage for other chapters.

Say six chapters were allowed to take the "max" of 15% (30 pledges) while five chapters (the ones with the violations) could only take 2% (4 pledges).

6 chapters at 30 pledges = 180
5 chapters at 4 pledges = 20
Total = 200

So in theory, every chapter could make quota because the actual percentage (quota) was different for the chapters.

Scenario C: Neither.

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Scenario B.
One specific example, I'll refer to them as XYZ. Befor rush was ever started and anybody had an idea what quota would be, the Greek Affairs Office had determined that XYZ's quota would be the normal quota minus a percentage due to a hazing incident plus an incident at a social event.....quota was set at 15% taking into account that there would be reductions in some houses quotas that would result in not every house being able to take 30 guys and preventing the 165% problem mentioned earlier.

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Again, no problem. If you have anymore questions or something I've said is unclear, I can give you the email address of DePauw's Director of Greek Life, he'd be better to explain it all than me.

Thanks. I believe all my questions have been answered.

AGDLynn · #39 02-17-2007, 10:20 AM

On a side note, Alpha Gamma Delta's Eta Chapter was installed in 1908 but I can't remember when it closed. When I was in school, our Province Director Collegians was initiated there. I think she's the only one I've ever met. She was wonderful!

arrwgrl · #40 02-25-2007, 02:57 PM

I just wanted to clarify depauwgreek's post of the women's recruitment. Quota for women this year at DePauw was set at 33, with the possibility of an add two if you filled quota. Therefore, all houses except for Delta Zeta fiilled quota.